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My 2015 MBPs (I have 2) rock. Ports galore, too. Hence why I've never upgraded.

You've never upgraded because it has a non-upgradeable RAM and SSD. :-|

The SSD can be replaced. I loved my 2015 MBP to death, but the CPU has not aged well for heavyweight languages like C++ and Swift. Switched to an M1 Air with the same 1 TB of storage and 16 GB of RAM.

https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Retina+Disp...

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care to share hardware specs of your M1 Air?

Sure: 16” was 6-core i7, 32GB RAM, 512GB SSD, 5500M 4GB GPU Air is M1 with the 8-core GPU, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD

I have a 2019 16": 8-core i9, 32GB RAM, 5500M 4GB GPU.

Worst Apple product I have ever owned. Overheating, slow (forever throttling), battery hog.

Can't wait for the Apple Silicon 14/16" MBPs this year.

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From the grandparent comment: > I have never been happier with a laptop than this first generation M1 MBP. I always skip the first generation of any Apple product. The M1 adoption cycle was infested with hype and was somewhat a hacky process, especially for the developer software ecosystem, and it is still immature, un-optimised and still not ready. You still can't even use two monitors on the M1 Macbook Air simultan…

This is one of those very rare events where the 1st generation product was actually a huge leap forward and the hype was totally justified. It's actually made a mockery of the ancient wisdom of "Always avoid 1st generation Apple products" rule. You are wrong.

> This is one of those very rare events where the 1st generation product was actually a huge leap forward and the hype was totally justified.

I'm pretty much laughing at the fanatics here and the early adopters, especially the existing power users and developers who went all in and bought it on launch day and until now who were hit with multiple bugs, unstable 'workarounds', beta preview software issues, recovery OS failures and so on with the immature software ecosystem on the M1 which they don't tell you about here. That was the hype.

I am long term Apple Silicon, but not any 1st generation Apple product or even M1.

> It's actually made a mockery of the ancient wisdom of "Always avoid 1st generation Apple products" rule. You are wrong.

Was this you with the 'fanatics' on launch day suggesting macOS for Docker on Apple Silicon at the time? [0]

Say I immediately joined the hype train in November, you're telling me that I have to wait almost half a year since the launch of M1 for Docker to be stable? You might as well skip last year's model and go for the M1X or M2 Macbook. No point chasing a 6 month old product when the software was not even ready and Apple will refresh the line up to M1X or M2 this year.

For professionals and existing Mac users, the rule still stands. It's always about the tiny small prints that Apple discloses or what they just don't tell you until you actually buy it but it's clear that many others have already done this for me; Including yourself.

I don't upgrade my Macs as if they are iPhones. Unlike most here. By the time I move to Apple Silicon, all these issues and limitations will be fixed on a M1X/M2 Mac or higher. No rush to get last year's model and plenty of time to wait for the Intel Macs to be unsupported and I will be getting a newer generation Apple Silicon-based Mac. Not specifically M1.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25081189

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The M1 has the necessary hardware to run virtualization. Apple could decide to allow VMWare or Parallels to bring desktop virtualization software to the iPad. You could have an all-in-one device for casual use, note taking, art and media consumption that turns into a capable Linux desktop at will. There's even 16GB RAM options available to make that reasonably comfortable, as well as a port to connect to a dock. But…

Is there a performance penalty with virtualization on the M1?

The fastest available ARM device in the consumer Windows ecosystem, the Microsoft Surface Pro X, is significantly slower than a virtualised instance of Windows on a MacBook Air. There is a penalty, but it doesn't matter that much in practice (just reduced battery life).

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It'll be interesting to see if iPadOS 15 steps us any closer to laptop/desktop class usage. The biggest thing holding back iPad from being a real laptop replacement for so many is the software. It's also not as simple as porting macOS to iPad. I get Apple's hesitancy from a usability and a product cannibalization standpoint, but it's time they step things forward.

Have you priced these things, though? 2TB/5G iPad Pro 12.9 + keyboard + pen = 3000 Swiss Francs (over $3k) 2TB/16GB RAM MacBook Air = 2200 Swiss Francs For whom are these iPads made? I bought a 12.9 in 2015, and another in 2017, but it's my last. They're just not that useful, and certainly not useful at a level that justifies the price of a very nice laptop!

> 2TB/5G iPad Pro 12.9 + keyboard + pen = 3000 Swiss Francs (over $3k)

2TB Storage, 5G, keyboard and pen are all very much optional and not required to use an iPad Pro. If you want a laptop, simply buy a laptop.

Personally I'm much better off with a desktop + iPad Pro combo. When I need keyboard and mouse on the iPad my existing desktop input device can be paired with multiple devices. However that's rare occasion. Most of the time it's simply a much more mobile device than a laptop.

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From my primitive understanding, many of the iOS animations are basically pre-rendered and played at the right time to cover up any CPU-intensive activities that are happening under the hood. Rather than display a laggy, stuttering input box that captures every keypress (eventually), they've chosen to lock you out from input entirely, force you to sit back and watch the beautiful transition, then allow you to input w…

iOS animations are not pre-rendered, and more and more they are even interruptible, even interactive. For example, if you start swiping the home screen you can catch the swipe at any point.

That is not necessarily evidence that the swiping animation is not pre-rendered. It just means that if it's pre-rendered, it can be slowed down, sped up and reversed based on the user's finger's motion.

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From the grandparent comment: > I have never been happier with a laptop than this first generation M1 MBP. I always skip the first generation of any Apple product. The M1 adoption cycle was infested with hype and was somewhat a hacky process, especially for the developer software ecosystem, and it is still immature, un-optimised and still not ready. You still can't even use two monitors on the M1 Macbook Air simultan…

In case there's anyone out there with an M1 MBP that desperately wants multiple monitors, if you use a DisplayLink compatible external dock, something about the alternate driver that such a dock uses allows for multiple monitors. I personally use the Dell D6000 to run three external displays in addition to the built-in display off of my M1 MBP and it works quite well. You can see a list of DisplayLink docking station…

Is there any adapter that will let me run my 2 LG 5k monitors on a M1 MacBook Pro?

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Yeah, I saw this announcement and was thinking, “Why do I need more power?” coming from a 2018 iPad Pro. All this power is cool , but, the design of iPadOS is just not conducive to me wanting to get anything done on it. I know that’s ambiguous and hand wavey. Part of it is certainly the multitasking. Part of it is the keyboard. Part of it is no local Unix or build tools or good code editor. Yeah, I can SSH into anoth…

Apple should let users alternate between iOS and macOS on this device. They should also enable touch on the iMac and let users run iOS on that as well.

Agreed. They can do it nicely, too, by extending the "Handoff" concept to further replicate application state between macOS and iPad OS apps.

It would probably be an opt-in thing for apps, but even without any fancy state replication it'd be just fine.

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From the grandparent comment: > I have never been happier with a laptop than this first generation M1 MBP. I always skip the first generation of any Apple product. The M1 adoption cycle was infested with hype and was somewhat a hacky process, especially for the developer software ecosystem, and it is still immature, un-optimised and still not ready. You still can't even use two monitors on the M1 Macbook Air simultan…

The hype so far is very well justified, though. There are issues, for sure, the "2 displays, max" limitation, the memory limitation, these are real problems- but they're not hidden away, they're well known and understood and if you can live with that then these are genuinely generational leaps in terms of performance/watt which _really matters_. Your negativity is misplaced, the machines limitations are well understo…

> We don't know what M2/M1X will bring, but if you want huge performance wins _today_ and not hypothetically then the M1 is delivering that.

Given what Apple has done for their A10+ series processors, in their iPhones and iPads, I am long term Apple Silicon and not long term M1 which is why I skipping it and ignoring the 'huge performance wins _today_' crowd which means get in the M1 hype now, until the M1X, M2 hype starts, which is pointless and short term.

What I'm saying is either stay on Intel until the Apple Silicon ecosystem is stable, then jump on at least M1X or M2 Macs and higher. Or go all in on M2 later.

It is not even a secret that Apple is 3 years ahead of product releases. Thus it is better to wait. Patience comes to those who wait.

Re: iPad Pro M1

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I think it's a very nice toy to play with. I definitely don't understand why people want to do anything useful with a toy. How much is it again? Ah it's Apple so no need to ask. See you when I make my first million.
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