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Re: YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki Gets 'Freedom Expression' Award Sponsored by YouTube

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Post by kmeisthax »

martin1975 wrote: post #87

It's amazing how disconnected from reality Susan is... I don't think she even knows it. YouTube is probably the poster child for censorship in the context of genuinely free (1A-protected) speech. I have no idea how this self-stroking "award" can be taken seriously by those who actually monitor freedom of speech (excluding porn, which I don't consider 'speech').

First Amendment wouldn't apply here unless you were to somehow bring something like the state actors doctrine into it. It only regulates government behavior. Strictly speaking under the First Amendment YouTube is incapable of censorship.

Under a more expansive concept of free speech, where we include things like monopoly market power or illegal use of force as government action; then you could argue that YouTube does censor things due to their large size. It's genuinely difficult to start your own video site and speak without being buried in hosting fees; so I think it's useful to talk about them censoring things in some contexts. However, we've also strayed far away from the First Amendment.

Outside of those concepts; however, I don't think the word "censorship" is very useful. If Hacker News decides to ban me, I can go to many thousands of other private forae in order to speak. Perhaps we should use the term "para-censorship" to refer to these situations in which third parties decide to refuse to do business with you.

Re: YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki Gets 'Freedom Expression' Award Sponsored by YouTube

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Post by Leparamour »

DSingularity wrote: post #95
cbozeman wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well that won't work... former President Barack Obama received the Nobel Peace prize but he went on to involve the United States in additional foreign wars and went ham with drone strikes.

Perfect example. He also took programs to the next level — eg first president to authorize the US to assassinate its own citizens!

It's easy to be evil when you have a benevolent press on your side. Still people think Obama's biggest scandals were wearing a tan suit and ordering Dijon mustard.

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Post by vkou »

cbozeman wrote: post #78
waterhouse wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm currently tickling my brain with the hypothesis that this is a next-level move by her team, to get her to publicly "emphasize the importance of free speech and the role that YouTube plays in protecting it", so that it will become more inconvenient for her (or for the rest of Youtube) to do more things that interfere with free speech. Analogize this to publicly praising a corrupt general for doing or planning some…

Well that won't work... former President Barack Obama received the Nobel Peace prize but he went on to involve the United States in additional foreign wars and went ham with drone strikes.

The Nobel peace prize was not for anything he did, it was the committee raising a large middle finger at the former Bush regime.

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Post by ARandomerDude »

austincheney wrote: post #92
jollybean wrote: post #22

Let this be a lesson to all: intelligence does not in any way correlate with self awareness. It's likely that 'smart' people are just as likely to be unaware of their own follies or inabilities, I would argue, maybe more so as a lot of smart people tend to be 'inwardly focused' and less concerned about their direct environment. This kind of thing happens all the time among Exec. level, but normally we'd expect it fro…

> but normally we'd expect it from Ford CEO, not Google types. Why? How do you see a distinction there?

Ford = internal combustion = bad people.

Google = San Francisco = good people.

It's just SV patting itself on the back for being woke and more virtuous than you.

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Post by anoncake »

ttt0 wrote: post #153
willis936 wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A fun hypothetical, but how smart do you think the average Q anon believer is? Reality isn’t as nice on the ears as the fantasy of a poet is.

For sure, the world is much more complicated and the inability to read between the lines and not taking everything at face value certainly isn't limited to "educated people". But there is a lot of truth to this quote nonetheless. For what it's worth, all of those wacky theories about Q-anon or even flat earth don't beat the fact that people somehow managed to subvert and obscure the fundamental truth about nature tha…

What other people's genitals and reproductive organs look like is generally none of your business. In other words, their sex is irrelevant.

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Post by Grustaf »

SiVal wrote: post #135
Grustaf wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it says much more about how they see the consumers. They're probably counting on 99% of people not noticing the absurdity of it, or the irony in boasting about your industrial scale censorship when accepting your free speech award.

They are counting on people not noticing the absurdity, because they don't notice it themselves. They live in an ideological bubble where those who are True Believers prosper and heretics are punished, so even those who disagree have to go along and hope they aren't discovered. Or they have to leave. So no one inside will be heard to disagree. So anyone on the outside who disagrees with what we all agree is true is s…

True, that’s probably part of it!

Re: YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki Gets 'Freedom Expression' Award Sponsored by YouTube

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Post by anoncake »

ttt0 wrote: post #179
perl4ever wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You can't change your biological sex, it's immutable. I assume you mean nobody can presently create fully functional organs for someone that wasn't born with them. I don't know who disputes this. But when you make such a declaration, it sounds (to some) like you are denying biological reality yourself; claiming that there is no such thing as intersex, that chromosomes are always in alignment with physical characteri…

Find me an intersex person that can both bear a child and impregnate a woman. From my understanding, it's still falls under either this or the other, not a literal third sex. And even if, that's a tiny fraction of what already is a tiny fraction of intersex people. It does not disprove the general notion and it does not justify changing the entire culture around it and basically terrorizing people who are stating the…

> Find me an intersex person that can both bear a child and impregnate a woman.

If male == can sire children and female == can bear children, then infertile people don't have a sex which is nonsense.

> It does not disprove the general notion

Yes, it does. Counterexamples do that.

> You could be born with six fingers and that doesn't invalidate the fact that human species have 5 fingers at each hand.

Yes, it would. Humans only usually have 5 fingers on each hand. But it isn't important to emphasize that there are 6-fingered humans because no one denies that 6-fingered humans are humans to start with.

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