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In Australia roughly 20 kids per week present to emergency having swallowed or inserted a button battery and in several cases many have tragically died. It is an agonising death over a period of days/weeks for the child and horrible for the parents to witness. Many times both the parents and medical professionals don't realise what is actually happening to the child until it is too late. There is growing support for…

CR2032 is 2cm wide so you're probably referring to smaller batteries as these cannot be swallowed by a child.

That is simply not true.

Children can easily ingest objects 2cm in diameter, and batteries that size can be especially dangerous because of how they lodge in the esophagus.

Citing Eck, Langham says, "Clinical outcomes can be determined by assessing the diameter of the button battery, as 90% of all major or fatal outcomes are associated with lithium batteries of 20 to 25 mm in diameter"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7536469/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32011339/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK430915/

Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

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How will I know if someone sticks an AirTag on my car?

I know the tech exists other places, but making it so common place and cheap makes me nervous.

Would love it if I could press a button and all the AirTags in range of my Bluetooth would make themselves known.

Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

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You can already purchase a huge range of items that do exactly what an airtag does. Everyone is already fair game for this type of stalking, it is silly to try and paint apple in a bad light here.

How many of these third party devices can use every iPhone, iPad and more in the world as a beacon?

They don't need to? GSM radios have gotten tiny. Think literally any innocuous item and it can be fitted with a tracker.

Even a hairbrush: http://www.mccalltech.net/images/0TrackBrush.jpg

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My cat disappeared for 16 hours today, had no idea where he was. He has a heart issue so I was worried he went off and died. Would I be able to use AirTags to see where he was throughout the day or not? Obviously I could see where he is right now, but could I see where he roamed off to through the course of the day?

I know that others have mentioned that no location data is stored on the device, but what if I want to use it to see lat/long data points over time, like a time series device, is this possible?

Crazy to think my cat's privacy is being proactively protected by Apple haha

Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

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> AirTag is designed for over a year’s worth of battery life with everyday use. The CR2032 battery is user-replaceable and widely available. Replacement batteries are sold separately. That's the piece of information I wanted to know first. Devices like this can be built, but those can't run on batteries for a reasonable time frame. Apple made it practical.

They probably caught enough flak with how incredibly unserviceable AirPods were and decided not to repeat the same mistake, especially here where it wouldn't give any benefit at all. Kind of a no-brainer, but you never know with Apple...

Having a replaceable battery kind of undermines its potential as an anti-theft device, so it's not true that there wouldn't be any be benefit at all to having a non-replaceable battery.

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My cat disappeared for 16 hours today, had no idea where he was. He has a heart issue so I was worried he went off and died. Would I be able to use AirTags to see where he was throughout the day or not? Obviously I could see where he is right now, but could I see where he roamed off to through the course of the day? I know that others have mentioned that no location data is stored on the device, but what if I want to…

I think the GPS collars would be better for this

Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

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They mentioned this exact scenario on their website[1] > Of course, if you happen to be with a friend who has an AirTag, or on a train with a whole bunch of people with AirTag, don’t worry. These alerts are triggered only when an AirTag is separated from its owner. 1. https://www.apple.com/airtag/

So if my family has a single car and we share keys it's going to annoy each of us that isn't the owner of the tag.

Did you register your marriage with Apple? :) Is this the future?

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That's comparable to existing products. I was hoping to read that Apple made the device sealed and rechargeable via a mat or the like. This device will be used like find my phone - a removable battery will make it trivial for thieves to disable the tracking.

The use case is very much not theft tracking, and they will not work for that. "An AirTag that has been separated from its owner for a long period of time will make an audible noise when it’s moved, as part of a privacy feature to let you know there’s a tag present." https://daringfireball.net/linked/2021/04/20/moren-fine-prin...

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Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

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It looks like everyone ships AirTag location data to Apple, I wonder what the privacy implications are for this.. AirTags on a stolen vehicle AirTags on a VIP Apple's data about AirTag logs - when was Apple device X next to AirTag Y.. I also wonder what happens if you have a device that repeatedly calls the AirTag to drain the battery..

Find my iPhone data is end to end encrypted. If your device sees a lost phone nearby, it doesn’t get to know who’s phone - it just sends the encrypted blob to Apple.

Apple then doesn’t even know the location. The lost-phone-owner decrypts it.

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