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Debian votes to make no statement regarding RMS readmission to the FSF board

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Re: Debian votes to make no statement regarding RMS readmission to the FSF board

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solosoyokaze wrote: post #105
fsf4lyfe wrote: post #51

Good. RMS did nothing wrong really, and is the victim of a pile-on by people who can't tolerate others' opinions. I'm glad to see that Debian isn't caving to the ignorant masses here. The FSF under RMS's leadership has done more for computing freedom than any other organization. So what if RMS is outspoken about his beliefs? That's exactly the forthright attitude that enabled him to succeed in promoting the GPL so wi…

Why should anyone be subjected to RMS’ opinion on the age of consent? Or the Epstein case? RMS created this situation by injecting his unwanted opinions into to public sphere and now he’s rightfully paying the price for that.

You don't have to visit RMS' personal website if you don't want to be "subjected" to his opinions. As for the Minsky defence, Stallmans position is an entirely rational one and the world would be a much better place if more people would stand up to defend those being attacked by the mob.

Re: Debian votes to make no statement regarding RMS readmission to the FSF board

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Post by solosoyokaze »

account42 wrote: post #111
solosoyokaze wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should anyone be subjected to RMS’ opinion on the age of consent? Or the Epstein case? RMS created this situation by injecting his unwanted opinions into to public sphere and now he’s rightfully paying the price for that.

You don't have to visit RMS' personal website if you don't want to be "subjected" to his opinions. As for the Minsky defence, Stallmans position is an entirely rational one and the world would be a much better place if more people would stand up to defend those being attacked by the mob.

> As for the Minsky defence, Stallmans position is an entirely rational one and the world would be a much better place if more people would stand up to defend those being attacked by the mob.

You're talking about defending a client in a child sex trafficking ring. That is absolutely disgusting and irrational. It does nothing but harm the free software movement, just as RMS' many other actions have done.

Re: Debian votes to make no statement regarding RMS readmission to the FSF board

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Post by solosoyokaze »

McScroogy wrote: post #109
solosoyokaze wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Socialism has nothing to do with RMS’ disgusting behavior. The tide is turning in that people won’t accept this from the old guard anymore. It has nothing to do with political philosophy.

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You don't have to be an "SJW" to be disgusted with Stallman. The vast, vast majority of people will not defend someone involved in a child sex trafficking ring. That doesn't make you a "socialist", it makes you a regular human with a modicum of empathy and functioning moral compass.

Re: Debian votes to make no statement regarding RMS readmission to the FSF board

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Post by solosoyokaze »

account42 wrote: post #110
krastanov wrote: post #64

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It is not enough to be "right" to promote a good idea. You need to be a charismatic leader to succeed at FSF's mission. Independently of whether RMS is an intolerant creep or a misunderstood visionary, I do not think it should be difficult to see that he would not be an efficient evangelist for FSF today.

On the contrary, what the FSF needs is precisely a leader that does not compromise his views in order to win the popularity game.

The FSF is already beyond useless. They don't "need" anything as they don't accomplish anything. It's just a cult of personality around RMS at this point. It's beyond redemption.

Re: Debian votes to make no statement regarding RMS readmission to the FSF board

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Post by McScroogy »

solosoyokaze wrote: post #113
McScroogy wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You don't have to be an "SJW" to be disgusted with Stallman. The vast, vast majority of people will not defend someone involved in a child sex trafficking ring. That doesn't make you a "socialist", it makes you a regular human with a modicum of empathy and functioning moral compass.

But you need to be a SJW to reject due process and the principle of charity, and opt for maximum moral outrage to exert control and power. Your claim that he defended somebody in a sex trafficking ring is not actually true, for example. Either you are unaware of that and simply run with the narrative of the SJW ideology, which would be exactly the goal, or you are deliberately misrepresenting it, which would also make the point that it is about politics, not personal disgust.

Or explained in another way: apparently Stallman has not done anything illegal. So the people who insist on him being cut down want to install a new justice system. That's SJW ideology.

Re: Debian votes to make no statement regarding RMS readmission to the FSF board

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Post by solosoyokaze »

McScroogy wrote: post #115
solosoyokaze wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't have to be an "SJW" to be disgusted with Stallman. The vast, vast majority of people will not defend someone involved in a child sex trafficking ring. That doesn't make you a "socialist", it makes you a regular human with a modicum of empathy and functioning moral compass.

But you need to be a SJW to reject due process and the principle of charity, and opt for maximum moral outrage to exert control and power. Your claim that he defended somebody in a sex trafficking ring is not actually true, for example. Either you are unaware of that and simply run with the narrative of the SJW ideology, which would be exactly the goal, or you are deliberately misrepresenting it, which would also mak…

People have a right to be outraged. To say otherwise is to impede on freedom of speech.

> Your claim that he defended somebody in a sex trafficking ring is not actually true, for example.

He continues to defend Minsky. This a fact. It's in his "apology".

Re: Debian votes to make no statement regarding RMS readmission to the FSF board

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Post by krastanov »

account42 wrote: post #110
krastanov wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not enough to be "right" to promote a good idea. You need to be a charismatic leader to succeed at FSF's mission. Independently of whether RMS is an intolerant creep or a misunderstood visionary, I do not think it should be difficult to see that he would not be an efficient evangelist for FSF today.

On the contrary, what the FSF needs is precisely a leader that does not compromise his views in order to win the popularity game.

I think you are missing the point I was making: If you can not inspire others to action, it does not matter whether you are right, because you will not make the world a better place by simply being right.

Re: Debian votes to make no statement regarding RMS readmission to the FSF board

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Post by dang »

McScroogy wrote: post #115
solosoyokaze wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't have to be an "SJW" to be disgusted with Stallman. The vast, vast majority of people will not defend someone involved in a child sex trafficking ring. That doesn't make you a "socialist", it makes you a regular human with a modicum of empathy and functioning moral compass.

But you need to be a SJW to reject due process and the principle of charity, and opt for maximum moral outrage to exert control and power. Your claim that he defended somebody in a sex trafficking ring is not actually true, for example. Either you are unaware of that and simply run with the narrative of the SJW ideology, which would be exactly the goal, or you are deliberately misrepresenting it, which would also mak…

We've banned this account for using HN primarily for ideological battle. That's not what this site is for. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with.

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Re: Debian votes to make no statement regarding RMS readmission to the FSF board

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Post by McScroogy »

dang wrote: post #118
McScroogy wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you need to be a SJW to reject due process and the principle of charity, and opt for maximum moral outrage to exert control and power. Your claim that he defended somebody in a sex trafficking ring is not actually true, for example. Either you are unaware of that and simply run with the narrative of the SJW ideology, which would be exactly the goal, or you are deliberately misrepresenting it, which would also mak…

We've banned this account for using HN primarily for ideological battle. That's not what this site is for. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

You are a liar, at the very least, you are lying to yourself. You ban me for criticising socialism, not because of ideological battles. If you would care about ideology, you would ban the ideological subjects. For example Stallman's appointment was a frequent topic on here. I did not start those topics, and you let them stay.

Case in point: I did not make any submissions with this account. I only commented. So it doesn't make sense to claim I created the account for ideological battle.

It's also nonsense from you to claim that some discussion taking place in a deeply nested comment thread somehow distracts from what "HN is for". Those who don't care can simply gloss over it. I am not taking away any of your precious front page space.

Just admit that you can't stand criticism of socialism, and that is your basic motivation here.

Re: Debian votes to make no statement regarding RMS readmission to the FSF board

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Post by dang »

McScroogy wrote: post #119
dang wrote: post #118

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We've banned this account for using HN primarily for ideological battle. That's not what this site is for. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

You are a liar, at the very least, you are lying to yourself. You ban me for criticising socialism, not because of ideological battles. If you would care about ideology, you would ban the ideological subjects. For example Stallman's appointment was a frequent topic on here. I did not start those topics, and you let them stay. Case in point: I did not make any submissions with this account. I only commented. So it doe…

Users who break the site guidelines around political flamewar always feel like we ban them for their politics. Actually we just ban people for breaking the guidelines. "You ban me for criticizing $X" can have $X = "socialism", "capitalism", or anything else. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870 for dozens of examples.

We don't care what your favorite flavor of politics is any more than your favorite ice cream. Actually your favorite ice cream would be more interesting, because it gets discussed less. The tedium of these internet battles cannot be overstated.

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