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Apple Introduces AirTag

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Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

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If I was evil and stuck these to ex-girlfriend/boyfriend car or something, illegal? Edit: Downvoters. I am not doing this obviously. Am asking as this is the clear abuse I see. Tracking people without permission. I see this as being a weird legal thing we hear about down the road.

>And even if users don’t have an iOS device, an AirTag separated from its owner for an extended period of time will play a sound when moved to draw attention to it. So even non-Apple users will get alerted if they're being tracked with it.

Couldn’t someone just break the beeper on their tracker?

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#572

I wouldn't have expected that of Apple considering other popular options don't allow battery replacement. That always bothered me for the product waste.

What popular options don't allow battery replacement? Tile and Samsung SmartTags have battery replacement...

Are you referring to some other beacon tracker that's more popular that I have never heard of?

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I do think it couldn't have happened without Apple doing it first from the big manufacturers. Apple had (and still have) the status and prestige to do anything and make that a standard. If Huawei/Samsung/etc didn't include chargers, didn't use USB or USB C, changed from 3.5 to some proprietary audio jack first, they would have been ridiculed. But once Apple changed these things (except luckily the USB), these compani…

Apple has an ability to drive change that other computer manufacturers don’t. The simple reason is that Apple is the only manufacturer in a specific market. The market for MacOS (or in the case of iDevices, iOS) users. What that means is that Apple can introduce a pretty shitty change and not lose too many customers to other manufacturers because switching from Apple to another manufacturer is much harder than from D…

> it was an unambiguously worse option

Speak for yourself. The butterfly keyboard is the only laptop keyboard I have ever encountered which I can type on for a full day without flaring RSI. Despite having a fully-loaded 16" with the replacement keyboard, I still use the 4.5-year-old butterfly model for almost everything.

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I wouldn't be able to hunt my own mammoth, and I know that I suck at making fire with primitive tools (I tried and failed). I've learned to appreciate the benefits of a modern society, and I'm ok being pretty screwed if it all magically disappeared without a trace. We adapt, and that's a good thing.

Eh, losing your sense of direction due to the crutch of GPS isn’t adaptation; it’s regression. Not all of us are okay with being screwed if the convenient floor of modern life fell out from underneath us. :)

A world where GPS stops working is into some serious shit, I guess you are also training your hunting and fighting skills, otherwise you'll be screwed anyway.

Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

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> Apple successfully changed that I feel like this gives far too much credit to Apple. Any one company can "think differently" but Apple shouldn't get the blame for all of the other companies following suit. Remember the ads Samsung ran before axing the headphone jack a year later?

I do think it couldn't have happened without Apple doing it first from the big manufacturers. Apple had (and still have) the status and prestige to do anything and make that a standard. If Huawei/Samsung/etc didn't include chargers, didn't use USB or USB C, changed from 3.5 to some proprietary audio jack first, they would have been ridiculed. But once Apple changed these things (except luckily the USB), these compani…

It wasn’t status or prestige. It was developing battery conditioning software and integrating it in the OS so the batteries could last years before replacement.

And when Apple did this, they were able to pack more wattage on their MacBooks, making them last substantially longer on a charge than competitors. Competitors had to do same to eventually catch up.

Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

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Does anti-stalking only work for Apple users? I assume it won't notify someone who doesn't have an Apple phone, making it kinda useless for half the population.

>And even if users don’t have an iOS device, an AirTag separated from its owner for an extended period of time will play a sound when moved to draw attention to it.

What about to cut wire to speaker?

Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

#577

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be able to hunt my own mammoth, and I know that I suck at making fire with primitive tools (I tried and failed). I've learned to appreciate the benefits of a modern society, and I'm ok being pretty screwed if it all magically disappeared without a trace. We adapt, and that's a good thing.

Eh, losing your sense of direction due to the crutch of GPS isn’t adaptation; it’s regression. Not all of us are okay with being screwed if the convenient floor of modern life fell out from underneath us. :)

I've never been able to remember street names. GPS was a godsend to me, because now I can actually navigate.

I certainly wouldn't go so far as to claim I was disabled, but I find it helps to remember that not everyone has the same capabilities, and what we consider to be a silly "crutch" can be tremendously empowering for others without our capabilities.

Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

#578

So with this tiny $25 thingy my neighbor can track me in real-time after gluing it to my car? Nice. No, honestly, this is a bit concerning, isn't it?

You didn't read the anti-stalking measures that are built in?

Now that I think about it...My wife has an iPhone and I have Samsung Galaxy. If we put it on keys that we share...it would be very annoying to have it beep at me as I drive just because my wife's phone isn't there.

If it does not beep on my drive then it is still possible for your neighbor to track you as when you come home it would trigger the "owner is near".

Sticking with Tile, which is cross platform, thank you very much.

Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

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> AirTag is designed for over a year’s worth of battery life with everyday use. The CR2032 battery is user-replaceable and widely available. Replacement batteries are sold separately. That's the piece of information I wanted to know first. Devices like this can be built, but those can't run on batteries for a reasonable time frame. Apple made it practical.

If you’re not intimidated by NDAs, devices like this can be built for approx. $15/ea. or less (based on your volume) with a battery option. A CR2032 will yield approx. 6-7 years of life for the tag as long as it’s setup to emit once every 30-60s. I wouldn’t be surprised if Apple’s cost is in $1-2 per device with the battery.

Home brew are fun and handy, and very useful if you tend to lose things in known locations like your own home. I have been using my own for years.

The disadvantage is that homebrew don’t get the network effects of a bunch of users who just happen to pass by when you dropped it in the park.

So the trade off is real and depends on how and when you tend to lose things.

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These airtags have a couple of nice features: AR finder and the ability for anyone to adopt the protocol in their bluetooth stack. But I already have a bunch of tiles so I'd have to use both apps and know which one to use. The big benefit is there are more people with iPhones than there are people with iPhones+android who are running the tile app. Tile also has two useful form factors: a wallet-sized flat one and a t…

Great point on the TV remote. Apple missed a great opportunity here for the new Apple TV remote to include AirTag find-ability! AirPod cases are another good opportunity for this functionality to be built in

I know, what a missed opportunity. My gf has a case for her AirPod case just so she can attach a tile.
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