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Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by Zenst »

technofiend wrote: post #231
Zenst wrote: post #143

Hmmm Does this have Ethernet as standard without a dongle? Asking as I can't see any mention beyond under the Thunderbolt section in which it has "Configurable with Gigabit Ethernet" slapped about. Gigabit Ethernet! If that's the max then that will upset some for sure.

Do you mean does it have an ethernet adapter? No according to the tech specs page: https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/specs/ Their marketing blurb mentions 10 gigabit ethernet is available over the thunderbolt port. Thunderbolt supports 10Gbps Ethernet and opens up a massive ecosystem of high-performance accessories, like faster external storage and even higher resolution external displays, including the Pro Display XDR…

No I was wondering if it had an Ethernet port as standard without the need for a dongle, and thank you for clearing that up.

Good they can do a 10gig ethernet, didn't see it myself - thanks again.

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Post by yellowapple »

reader_mode wrote: post #317
pjmlp wrote: post #305

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I don't remember to ever look into the AmigaOS source code.

Locked down as in Apple won't let you run anything not going through the store on the device because it breaks their business model. You aren't going to install a custom browser to test your front-end (or get usable devtools), no brew or package manager, no custom IDE unless it's built for iOS with its insane limitations (nobody is going to bother). At best you'd be able to port some dev tools and install with your c…

> because it breaks their business model

Once upon a time, their business model was to build solid hardware and not get in the way of people who (like me) don't care for their software. I was hoping that the switch to M1 indicated some intention to return to that business model.

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by yellowapple »

fastball wrote: post #107
mulmen wrote: post #68

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I have zero interest in using a worse laptop. Touch screens are an anti-feature. For decades we have tried as an industry to do touch interfaces on “real” computers and it’s always horrible because it’s not actually a thing worth doing. With M1 Macs being a thing I have no idea what benefits an iPad offers.

"Touch screens are an anti-feature" – I guess you don't have a smartphone then? The benefit is obvious: if you were the kind of person that previously had a laptop and an iPad (iPads / touch screens are nice for all sorts of things, esp. for say artists), then an optimal solution would be a device you can use as both. An iPad Pro that could run macOS and have a keyboard case with trackpad seems ideal. Or if you're th…

> I guess you don't have a smartphone then?

I'm participating in the Astro Slide crowdfunding campaign specifically so that I can have a smartphone without necessarily needing to use a touchscreen.

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by sss111 »

strogonoff wrote: post #346
f6v wrote: post #116

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At that point, what's the difference to MBA? iPad will always be subpar in my eyes due to poor lappability in "laptop" mode. And I realised I don't want my work screen to be covered in fingerprints.

My iPad is covered in fingerprints all the time, even though I don’t use it all that heavily. They are visible when brightness is low, as well as when it reflects surrounding light at particular angles. I was considering getting a paper-like screen protector (which can also make drawing with Pencil more comfortable) but I’m torn on the issue. On one hand, fingerprints are annoying, and thoroughly cleaning the screen…

I've used paper-like with my iPad, but I had to throw it away because of how many scratches it got, and it also made the colors look washed out.

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Post by jshen »

calf wrote: post #420
camillomiller wrote: post #315

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No, and you know what, neither would Apple, otherwise they wouldn't offer M1 Macs. The mistake is that everyone thinks Apple wants its product to be everything, just because their marketing tends to encompass and emphasize bold claims of universality. The reality is that Apple knows pretty well its segmentation. The Pro in the iPad Pro is the same Pro of the iPhone, it simply doesn't mean what the average hackernews…

I've always desired an iPad Pro for displaying PDFs of piano sheet music while practicing, because it's light enough to not damage the piano stand, and has a high resolution display. But then I realize the iPad Pro is kind of overkill if I don't intend to use it for anything else. Can you recommend a cheaper alternative? Maybe one of those e-paper things, or some other light tablet?

Why not a non pro iPad?

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by jshen »

enos_feedler wrote: post #402
jshen wrote: post #274

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That's fair, arbitrary wasn't the right word. They were chosen for the use case of a smart phone, not a general purpose computer. People pretending that they are reasonable for a general purpose computer are missing the boat IMO. But some things are arbitrary. For example, only allowing one web browser engine is 100% arbitrary (or worse, an abuse of monopoly power).

MacOS allows arbitrary web browser engines, yet I just use safari. My mac has never felt less like a general purpose computer because of this. How is this related?

I’m a developer that often does web work. I need to test on multiple browsers, which is literally impossible on the iPad for no good reason.

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Post by smasher164 »

intergalplan wrote: post #276
filleduchaos wrote: post #246

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Haven't you heard? Programming is the only "pro" or performance-intensive thing that exists. I don't even understand why programmers are always so up in arms about devices like the iPad. Why on earth does one want to program on a handheld touchscreen device anyway? I have zero expectations for that, much like I have zero expectations for the laptop I do program on to be a good drawing device.

I don't get the huge blind spot there, either, and it's pervasive on here every time the iPad comes up. "I can't boot an OpenBSD VM on it so it must only be for watching YouTube, for sheeple consumers, not godlike 'creators' like me". Meanwhile it's plainly great for all kinds of creation-oriented activities, especially where the real-world meets the digital. The sensors are great. Pencil is great. It's a really good…

The whole "this device isn't meant for programmers" argument is a red herring. I don't like how the discussion ultimately boils down to complete control over the OS. That's not going happen, and likely requires a different mental model around OS abstractions, so we should put that aside.

My original point was that productivity apps, whether its photo/video/audio editing, word processing, or 3D modeling, all categorically benefit from features like better file management, IPC, background processing, working with external displays, easier keyboard/trackpad navigation, etc...

I saw some things in the presentation around external storage and thunderbolt devices which look like steps in the right direction, but the OS is really not doing it any favors. I would guess that the iPad is successful among this demographic despite iPadOS, not because of it.

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Post by fomine3 »

smasher164 wrote: post #46

To me, it doesn't matter how powerful the iPad is if the software experience is subpar. Multitasking is cumbrous enough that it might as well not exist, multi-display setups can only mirror at a fixed aspect ratio, it lacks multiple user profiles requiring a family to be under a single user, and the few apps that take advantage of the keyboard/trackpad are nowhere similar to their desktop counterparts. Take Excel for…

Multitask UI is still horrible. I sometimes creates new Safari windows in mistake, closing them and return to correct window is not an easy task.

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by fomine3 »

koboll wrote: post #360
samatman wrote: post #304

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Things I do on an iPad, ranked by how unlikely I am to do them on another computer: - Draw. This is the big one. I'm no fine artist, but I do a bit of calligraphy now and then, and Procreate is amazing. - Make memes. It might not be more "productive" to caption funny pictures on my iPad than it would be to do it on desktop, but it's more fun. It feels more natural to manipulate images on a tablet. - Read PDFs. the 12…

>- Draw. This is the big one. I'm no fine artist, but I do a bit of calligraphy now and then, and Procreate is amazing. Same, and this is how the iPad really shines, except for one huge drawback: limited RAM means I either have to reduce my art to sub-4k quality or limit it to 30-ish layers. Both options suck. It was very disappointing to see no mention of RAM anywhere in this announcement. Maybe for some application…

Tada! Apple officially announced that RAM capacity is 8GB/16GB (for the first time to announce it?)
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