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Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

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What I need is the inverse of this -- my wife is forever losing her phone around the house, and I need a button on the wall that you can press to activate "find my phone" mode and play a beep on it. EDIT: Thank you for all the suggestions! I'm aware that this is possible from another iPhone or iWatch or iPad -- this is the current workflow. Use my phone or take the ipad away from the kids to play the beep. Is a butto…

Chipolo works both ways. Double tap and your iPhone rings.

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Would have been nice to have an attachment hole on the device itself, rather than requiring you purchase accessories to attach to a set of keys, for example.

If these become popular, you'll probably find plastic adapters for $1 on AliExpress.

Just imagine the sheer amount of non recyclable plastic this "design choice" by Apple to offer an un-holed product will generate. This world has a major problem.

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Would have been nice to have an attachment hole on the device itself, rather than requiring you purchase accessories to attach to a set of keys, for example.

Small decisions like this is what makes me despise their tactics. All of the crap about the environment and all is nothing but hot air.

I don't understand why you are being donwvoted. Your comment is true in every way.

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Huh? It certainly is E2EE. "Whether attached to a handbag, keys, backpack, or other items, AirTag taps into the vast, global Find My network1 and can help locate a lost item, all while keeping location data private and anonymous with end-to-end encryption."

Is the E2EE applying to the Bluetooth ID's? I think it's referring to other aspects of the system -- this sentence is specifically referring to location data , not Bluetooth ID's. In any case, my point remains that obviously Apple has to be internally associating the Bluetooth ID's with owner ID's.

They aren't. The tag generates and broadcasts a public key that is rotated every 15 minutes. A nearby "finder" device receives a broadcast, encrypts its location with the received key and sends it with a hash of the public key to Apple's anonymous location directory. The owner (who keeps the same key pair rotation algorithm running from the same seed key) can look up a bunch of key hashes for a range of 15-minute intervals and then fetch and decrypt location payloads. No device or account IDs are transmitted in the process.

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Your choice is a reasonable timer or extra circuitry and logic for monitoring battery power that cuts the battery life.

low-cost, low-power battery monitoring is like pretty much the most solved problem ever.

you forgot something, low-cost, low-power, low-accuracy battery monitoring is like pretty much the most solved problem ever.

low-cost & low-power & high accuracy, not so much

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the E2EE applying to the Bluetooth ID's? I think it's referring to other aspects of the system -- this sentence is specifically referring to location data , not Bluetooth ID's. In any case, my point remains that obviously Apple has to be internally associating the Bluetooth ID's with owner ID's.

They aren't. The tag generates and broadcasts a public key that is rotated every 15 minutes. A nearby "finder" device receives a broadcast, encrypts its location with the received key and sends it with a hash of the public key to Apple's anonymous location directory. The owner (who keeps the same key pair rotation algorithm running from the same seed key) can look up a bunch of key hashes for a range of 15-minute int…

Ah ha, got it, thanks -- I was definitely incorrect then. Wish I could edit my original comment to say "never mind" but the edit window passed.

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As pointed out above, this is already the status quo (replacable battery, 1 year life, etc). Tile has had it for years. I'm curious if it would've been technically feasible to have wireless charging on these instead of replaceable battery. Or would that greatly increase the price?

To be fair, replaceable batteries in laptops and phones also used to be the status quo and Apple successfully changed that. Just because it’s the status quo wouldn’t prevent Apple from “thinking different”.

Phone batteries stopped being user replaceable once smart phones started improving at such a rapid pace that even if you could replace the battery in your 2 year old device you won’t want to because the UI would be dog slow and the camera a blurry mess compared to current model.

Funnily, the time for replaceable batteries in phones seems to have arrived, but users are now trained not to expect it.

Sending your phone in for a manufacturer battery replacement after 2 years of use to get a further 2 is a good compromise in my view. My last replacement was about $50.

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I too, found the anti-stalking features might hinder the use of AirTags for locating intentionally stolen items: (1) it has a removable battery, and also (2) "someone can tap [the tag] with their iPhone or NFC-capable device and instructions will guide them to disable the unknown AirTag". The anti-stalking feature also seems to contradict its privacy features: > Bluetooth signal identifiers transmitted by AirTag rota…

Its private from 3rd parties, but not private from apple and whoever subpoenas them. Apply this principle to everything apple does and says about privacy and you see it everywhere in their products. Even more cynically, you can say it's private from their competitors.

They say in the AirTag video that "Everyone can participate without sharing their location with anyone, even Apple"

https://youtu.be/JdBYVNuky1M?t=570

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