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My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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There's a finite amount of bandwidth any society can spend on immigration, not an infinite amount (and hint: it's negligible). At the moment, so-called liberals whatever reason are more concerned about ILLEGAL immigrants than legal immigrants. Do you know how many legal immigrants' green cards got delayed the last time there was an amnesty program for illegals? Do you think the US govt. will hire more immigration dep…

Exactly. The bw issues are tremendous. How do you process 10m + illegals whose cases are all so varied, documentation are various levels of sketchy, while there are millions waiting in line LEGALLY, and somehow think 1) it's fair and 2) it's more efficient than now.

There is no technical or business problem to process millions (or even billions) of immigration cases. Immigration cases pay for themselves.

I wish I could be in business of approving/rejecting immigration petitions. That would be a very profitable enterprise.

The problem is that US society is not culturally ready to stop unfair discrimination toward immigrants.

Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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The immigration laws in the US are completely and utterly broken. My parents immigrated here (legally) a few decades ago and eventually decide to become citizens through naturalization. As I was still a kid at the time I acquired citizenship by derivation. I have held and maintained a US passport since that date. However later in life when I enlisted in the U.S. Army my passport was not considered proof of citizenship (although Executive order 610 states it should be). Instead I was asked to apply for a Certificate of Citizenship as proof. I started the process only to find out it would take 4 years (due to backlog) before I should expect the certificate to be issues. If it takes 4 years for an existing citizen with a passport to get through the process what hope do actual immigrants have?

Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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post #254

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Exactly. The bw issues are tremendous. How do you process 10m + illegals whose cases are all so varied, documentation are various levels of sketchy, while there are millions waiting in line LEGALLY, and somehow think 1) it's fair and 2) it's more efficient than now.

There is no technical or business problem to process millions (or even billions) of immigration cases. Immigration cases pay for themselves. I wish I could be in business of approving/rejecting immigration petitions. That would be a very profitable enterprise. The problem is that US society is not culturally ready to stop unfair discrimination toward immigrants.

Maybe you've heard of something called time. That is a problem. If you think you can get it down to some kind of automated algorithm, good luck. Like I said, the input will be crap. Have fun proving Mr. Martinez is Mr. Martinez. People like us, who are waiting in line, have already provided the nec input. And paid up too. That's where you solve problems. Not by catering to the dudes at Home Depot who dont trust you, can't afford the fees, and have documentation you can understand if you're lukcy.

Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no technical or business problem to process millions (or even billions) of immigration cases. Immigration cases pay for themselves. I wish I could be in business of approving/rejecting immigration petitions. That would be a very profitable enterprise. The problem is that US society is not culturally ready to stop unfair discrimination toward immigrants.

Maybe you've heard of something called time. That is a problem. If you think you can get it down to some kind of automated algorithm, good luck. Like I said, the input will be crap. Have fun proving Mr. Martinez is Mr. Martinez. People like us, who are waiting in line, have already provided the nec input. And paid up too. That's where you solve problems. Not by catering to the dudes at Home Depot who dont trust you,…

Immigration does not have to be free of charge.

I'm sure Jose Vargas is ready to pay for getting his legal status.

But immigration quotas should be removed (or at least significantly increased).

Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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I'm an employer in Florida. Employers are legally required to verify eligibility via form I-9. However, I see no real enforcement of this other than occasional roundups by INS at farms. The reason these roundups occur is that the farms are not complying with the law.

We need immigration reform. It is unconscionable that people who grew up here are put in this situation.

I've been thinking the best way to get reform is to force the government to strictly enforce the I-9 requirement. If every business owner was forced to adhere to the law and only hire those legally eligible, they would be in favor of reform as well.

We have a situation where people complain about "illegal immigrants" while silently profiting from them. If the reality of the situation were exposed, I think Republicans would suddenly find themselves in agreement with Democrats about reform.

Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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If an unemployed person loses out to an immigrant (legal or illegal), clearly there's a reason. I'd rather have jobs filled with better people than pander to people who are currently more eligible solely because they had the luck to be born in a certain place at a certain time.

Are you cool paying healthcare and education costs for the immigrant's four kids? His low hourly wage does not come close to representing his costs given a social welfare state. This is essentially what is happening as criminal employers hire criminal aliens: they externalize massive costs to the larger population.

It sounds like the problem here wouldn't be the immigration, but rather that moving between economic classes is difficult for those with no skills. If we could provide ways for any citizen or immigrant to gain useful skills that are in demand, then we would help mitigate the problems of unemployment as a whole and help reduce the spending burdens of social programs.

Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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If law is unjust, you change the law. It has happened in American plenty of times. Hell, America was founded in part because an unjust law was imposed on us.

unjust to whom? lets open borders ? vargas, when he was smuggled into this country, was not "special case" at that time. This is a typical, hallmark fraud case. The coyote, fake passport, fake student visa, fake greencard the list goes on. you want the Law to be just in above case? i am just saying there needs to be punishment and accountability. Believe me, the US immigration law is lot better, just and clever than…

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Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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But in this case, punish whom? Vargas? He was 12 when all this happened, had no say in the matter, and didn't really know what was going on until he turned 16. What should he have done then? Turned himself in as an illegal immigrant?

That argument can be taken advantage of in lot of situations. I empatize with vargas but unfortunately, as the lawyer said, he needs to get back in line - legally. He committed 70% of the fraud after turning 16. He is not kid anymore, and be responsible for his situation/actions. What about legal alien kids who come (sent by parents) here legally for undergrad studies...pay upto 100K in tuition fees, and be sent back…

There is law for a reason, and 300 millions American citizens and legal aliens abide by it. Do you want make all of them feel idiots?

Obviously you've never dealt with immigration. My wife was a Chinese citizen here on a student visa when we married, and so I've dealt with the process first hand.

It seems to me that most people believe that the process of getting a green card or citizenship is just a matter of filling out a couple forms, going to a notary, and waiting a few months for everything to be approved. Nothing could be farther from the truth, and as a result, many people who want to do everything legally, who really try to do so, wind up with an illegal status.

The process involves scores of forms that must be filled out just so. I can tell you from personal experience that figuring out exactly what the INS wanted was a challenge -- for me, an native English speaker who got 680 on the SAT verbal section. It's nearly impossible for non-native speakers, but many of them can't afford a lawyer to help them.

My wife's application was rejected twice. The first was due to confusion about the correct papers to prove marriage. The second was due to improperly collected fingerprints. We went to the State Police to have the fingerprint cards done. Who is better qualified to take good fingerprint samples than the police, right? We were rejected because the NJ State Police are not certified by the INS as fingerprint authorities. It seems that, to get the prints done legally, we had to drive to the duly certified fingerprint authority, some 40 miles away, which turned out to be a camera shop. Her prints were taken by some Indian guy, obviously an immigrant himself, rather than a police officer -- and these were accepted.

On one occasion the wife was at the INS office in NYC Federal Plaza. The woman at the counter was telling wife that something had to be done just so, no exceptions. Wife asked to speak to a manager to try to clear up the misunderstanding -- a perfectly legitimate request in any business. Rather than trying to work with my wife to resolve the disagreement, the worker pushed a little button, and two big burly guys came out of a door and physically removed my wife from the premises, claiming that she was a threat.

Obviously this process is not about a correct and complete application: they are about perpetuating the INS itself, through the fees for fingerprint certifications; shoring up their little fiefdoms, and so on. Anyone who believes that people who are unsuccessful in navigating this bureaucracy are criminals, bad elements that we don't want in our society, is badly mistaken.

Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. The bw issues are tremendous. How do you process 10m + illegals whose cases are all so varied, documentation are various levels of sketchy, while there are millions waiting in line LEGALLY, and somehow think 1) it's fair and 2) it's more efficient than now.

There is no technical or business problem to process millions (or even billions) of immigration cases. Immigration cases pay for themselves. I wish I could be in business of approving/rejecting immigration petitions. That would be a very profitable enterprise. The problem is that US society is not culturally ready to stop unfair discrimination toward immigrants.

See my previous point. Patent cases pay for themselves too. But the federal govt. is so strapped for money that it takes money from these depts. And Congress is notorious for passing unfunded mandates. Unless you address specifics like this, I'm afraid what you are saying is just wishful thinking.

Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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That argument can be taken advantage of in lot of situations. I empatize with vargas but unfortunately, as the lawyer said, he needs to get back in line - legally. He committed 70% of the fraud after turning 16. He is not kid anymore, and be responsible for his situation/actions. What about legal alien kids who come (sent by parents) here legally for undergrad studies...pay upto 100K in tuition fees, and be sent back…

There is law for a reason, and 300 millions American citizens and legal aliens abide by it. Do you want make all of them feel idiots? Obviously you've never dealt with immigration. My wife was a Chinese citizen here on a student visa when we married, and so I've dealt with the process first hand. It seems to me that most people believe that the process of getting a green card or citizenship is just a matter of fillin…

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