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Re: The Last Men’s Hotel in Chicago

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Post by dang »

watwut wrote: post #54
perardi wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ugh, I hate to pull this out, by: NIMBY-ism. To a first approximation nobody wants an SRO on their back yard. Me? I am just fine with it, I have lived near SROs for years . But…oh whatever, I’ll be blunt: Karen doesn’t want a giant building full of itinerant men on her block, and she is going to fight tooth and nail to prevent such a thing.

It is always womens fault. Whatever it is.

I understand the frustration but comments like this just make things worse, so please don't.

Re: The Last Men’s Hotel in Chicago

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Post by dang »

bombcar wrote: post #8
perardi wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ugh, I hate to pull this out, by: NIMBY-ism. To a first approximation nobody wants an SRO on their back yard. Me? I am just fine with it, I have lived near SROs for years . But…oh whatever, I’ll be blunt: Karen doesn’t want a giant building full of itinerant men on her block, and she is going to fight tooth and nail to prevent such a thing.

So let's be realistic and admit these buildings do NOT have to be built in residential areas with Karens abounding. The perfect is the enemy of the good here; let them be wedged into industrial areas or other "not as desirable" parts of town. Trying to pretend that the "bad part of town" can be removed if we just figure out the magic steps is part of the problem.

Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26880612 and make your substantive points without swipes.

Re: The Last Men’s Hotel in Chicago

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Post by dang »

stopwithslurs wrote: post #29
bombcar wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So let's be realistic and admit these buildings do NOT have to be built in residential areas with Karens abounding. The perfect is the enemy of the good here; let them be wedged into industrial areas or other "not as desirable" parts of town. Trying to pretend that the "bad part of town" can be removed if we just figure out the magic steps is part of the problem.

Can you people stop using my mother's name as a slur that means obnoxious white woman? I'm used to this bigotry on Reddit but why is it ok here? I'm so sick of it.

If you look at HN comments including "Karen" there aren't that many usages this way: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que.... But I agree, we don't need it here. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26880612.

Re: The Last Men’s Hotel in Chicago

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Post by dang »

kemonocode wrote: post #51
Dig1t wrote: post #39

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I do agree with you, it would be super frowned upon to go around doing the same thing with common names of other ethnicities. I don't think its right that we're okay with low-key disparaging one race but not another. At one point in time I think people would have considered that to be racist, but I guess that's not a thing anymore.

You can't help being born black, or being born a woman. However, you can not be an entitled person who abuses their privilege in order to get ahead of literally everyone else, which is the attitude a "Karen" embodies. Sure, I'll concede the name has been picked poorly, but to be honest, I really do not think it's nearly on the same category as racism or sexism.

I turned off the flags on your comment; your point is the kind of thing I meant in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26880612 about how society is divided on this category of putdown.

On HN, fortunately, we have a simpler playbook than the Big Book of Social Norms Worldwide, which is impossible to make consistent. It's at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, and I think that the rules "please don't call names" and "eschew flamebait" suffice for us all to just avoid the Karen thing here.

Re: The Last Men’s Hotel in Chicago

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Post by kemonocode »

dang wrote: post #64
kemonocode wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't help being born black, or being born a woman. However, you can not be an entitled person who abuses their privilege in order to get ahead of literally everyone else, which is the attitude a "Karen" embodies. Sure, I'll concede the name has been picked poorly, but to be honest, I really do not think it's nearly on the same category as racism or sexism.

I turned off the flags on your comment; your point is the kind of thing I meant in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26880612 about how society is divided on this category of putdown. On HN, fortunately, we have a simpler playbook than the Big Book of Social Norms Worldwide, which is impossible to make consistent. It's at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html , and I think that the rules "please don't c…

Sure thing, that's fair. "No name-calling" is pretty clear-cut all things considered.

Notice I really haven't used the term myself (or "boomer" in a derogatory way) but it's the sort of thing that admittedly ruffles my feathers.

EDIT: Alright, apparently I did allude to someone being a boomer once, but it was fittingly in a generational way and not as gratuitous name-calling.

Re: The Last Men’s Hotel in Chicago

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Post by dang »

kemonocode wrote: post #65
dang wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I turned off the flags on your comment; your point is the kind of thing I meant in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26880612 about how society is divided on this category of putdown. On HN, fortunately, we have a simpler playbook than the Big Book of Social Norms Worldwide, which is impossible to make consistent. It's at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html , and I think that the rules "please don't c…

Sure thing, that's fair. "No name-calling" is pretty clear-cut all things considered. Notice I really haven't used the term myself (or "boomer" in a derogatory way) but it's the sort of thing that admittedly ruffles my feathers. EDIT: Alright, apparently I did allude to someone being a boomer once, but it was fittingly in a generational way and not as gratuitous name-calling.

Yes, I noticed that, which is why I don't think your comment should have been flagged.

Re: The Last Men’s Hotel in Chicago

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Post by ForTheTimeBeing »

OldHand2018 wrote: post #10

This block of Chicago is really interesting. It’s like going back in time to when American cities were far seedier places than they are now. It survives in part because the neighbor across the street is the Metropolitan Correctional Center [1] (an architectural masterpiece that was ruined by painting it about 10 years ago). The other reason it survives is that many buildings are owned in full by people that just aren…

A few years ago, I lived sever blocks south from this SRO in the South Loop (might be considered Printer's Row) neighborhood of Chicago.

It's squeezed between Federal and county buildings, and the commercial district. It's not residential but neither is it an undesirable part of town (w/r/t physical location). Indeed, it's the site of the old Chinatown.

It's as if this singular block was forgotten as modernization/gentrification reshaped everything else. It's curious.

Re: The Last Men’s Hotel in Chicago

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Post by FqOD4xih7Uq6m9Z »

hellbannedguy wrote: post #6

I would like to see America build more of these. Even lightening building codes, and zoning requirements (allow for very small rooms). If the Infrasctructure bill promised more of this type of housing I would be thrilled. I'd be happy with a few public restrooms strategically placed around cities, but I guess I'm the only one that needs easy access to a bathroom! 1. It's obvious homlessness is just getting worse. I j…

Like Doya in Japan?

https://youtu.be/kBPyN3LE65g?t=334

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