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Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by fastball »

slantyyz wrote: post #221
fastball wrote: post #103

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Planned obsolescence has never really been Apple's style (their devices generally get longer software support and have better resale value than anyone else). It's just about scale for the time being, probably. The M1 chip is now in 5 different devices. That is 100% worth not fulfilling everyone's RAM needs for the fantastic economies of scale and engineering simplicity that brings. They'll come out with an M2 soon en…

> Planned obsolescence has never really been Apple's style (their devices generally get longer software support and have better resale value than anyone else). I think that only applies to their mobile devices. I have had Intel Macs that can't run the latest MacOS but can still Boot Camp into Windows 10. Of course, this is all moot in a post-Intel Apple world.

Windows 10 was released in 2015. Apple releases a new major macOS update every year. Not really surprised that you can run 6 year old software + minor updates on an 6-10 year old machine but can't run a major software revision from the past couple years.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by asdff »

selsta wrote: post #126
speedgoose wrote: post #84

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It's ridiculous that Apple ships 8GB configurations in 2021. My company bought me a MacBook pro M1 with only 8GB of ram by mistake and it's extremely frustrating to have so little ram. I look forward to replace it with a laptop with 32GB of ram. Meanwhile I run devops stuff in the cloud because the laptop has not enough ram for that. Once safari advised me to close the jira tab to save ram. Such a shame.

If your use case needs more RAM then simply chose the 16GB option. 8GB RAM is fine for a large portion of casual users and if it keeps the base price down I'm okay with it.

It should not cost $200 for 8gb of RAM. Apple has been asking this price for like 10 years. It's ridiculous.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by tzs »

Looks like they have moved the headphone jack from the back to the side.

On the one hand, that would be better for me, because the way my desk is laid out to plug in my headphones on my iMac I have to reach under the front and jumble around blindly.

Having the headphone jack on the left side would be easier.

On the other hand, someone with a second monitor that prefers it on the left might find that it is in the way of their headphones.

What I really wish they would do is make it so that you can keep your headphones plugged in, and choose via the Sound settings whether you want sound to go to them or the internal speakers.

EDIT: My iMac is a 2017 model. From what I've read elsewhere, they may have changed the behavior described in the "What I really wish" paragraph in later models.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by mort96 »

rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #193
mort96 wrote: post #146

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They're not "legacy peripherals". Mice and keyboards are far from "legacy", and almost all of them come with USB A cables still. Having to add a flaky USB hub to your desktop just to plug in your keyboard is actually ridiculous. It makes sense on a laptop, but these desktops have _a lot_ of surface area on which they could put a few USB-A ports. EDIT: Though, Apple removing the USB-A ports from everything might be wh…

I don't think "most" mice and keyboards are USB-A: bluetooth peripherals eclipsed wired peripherals ages ago. Yes, most of the decent new ones charge via USB-C.

So, I was curious if you are correct and the market has changed a lot, or if I'm correct and most peripherals still use USB-A. So I checked out the website of a tech reseller, sorted their keyboards by most sold, and counted the technology used.

Before I stopped counting, I found 8 wireless keyboards using bluetooth, 9 wireless keyboards using a USB-A receiver, and 10 wired keyboards using a USB-A cable. It seems like USB-A is still alive and well in the peripheral ecosystem.

Here's a link to the search results page I used: https://www.komplett.no/category/10264/datautstyr/pc-tilbeho...

It's a website which is commonly used by gamers, so wired keyboards may be over-represented compared to the general population. But it clearly shows that actually, USB-A is still really commonly used in new peripherals sold today.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by Toutouxc »

walrus01 wrote: post #163
Toutouxc wrote: post #151

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Both Pro and Air use the same M1 chip. Same performance, clocks, thermal output. They just handle the cooling differently.

If I had to guess I'd say that the air probably thermal throttles or reaches a steady-state of lower performance at an earlier time than the Pro, if the pro has a larger cooling package on the same CPU... If you were to sit the two side by side on a desk and run a complicated pure-cpu x265 1.5 hour ffmpeg encode of a 4K video from raw y4m, the pro will probably race ahead after about 20 minutes, after the heat has so…

Yes, that's exactly how it works. I'm just not sure why you're saying this. It's obvious, given the fact that both machines use the same chip and different cooling.

It has nothing to do with the shape and size of the board, which differs between the two machines significantly.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by frereubu »

codezero wrote: post #162

Look how big the escape key is on that keyboard, finally, revenge for the touch bar! I like the direction Apple is going here, I assume they will have higher end iMacs later this year or early next year, and that's what I'll be waiting for. I'd like 27 inches of screen, at least 16GB of ram, but preferably 32, and that's about all I'd ask for. My current workstation is a 2013 27" iMac fully upgraded (fusion drive, 16…

I can't see what the arrow key layout is on the narrower (non-numeric-keypad) version because a hand is over it. It looks like there's a big key where there would be space above the left / right keys on the most recent one. I've got one of the interim ones where the left / right keys are full size so it's difficult to know where they are by touch, and I'm still irritated by that. I hope they haven't gone back again.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by dntrkv »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #201
dntrkv wrote: post #185

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Why would anyone want their screen to be anything other than a featureless rectangle? If they had the tech, they would have done this a long time ago.

For what it's worth I don't think featureless rectangles are a bad thing. I'm just saying that it gets hard to distinguish products from each other when the designs converge so much.

Yeah, but I don't think that's a bad thing. Now if the designs were converging on something like a gaming PC, then that would be bad.

"A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away."

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Post by robertoandred »

panzagl wrote: post #190
neogodless wrote: post #144

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In 12 years, 3 months, Windows lost 20% to 75% (1.63% per year), and OS X gained 12% to 16% (1.02% per year). At the current rate, they'll converge in just 22 years 3 months, with Windows and OSX having 39% each.

2043, the year of the Linux Desktop

2043? That's way more than 22 years from n— ...crap.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by NaN1352 »

I so want to go back to an iMac... I loved mine back in ~2010.

After about one year I had a simple fan issue, the fan was making high pitch noise (revving full speed) and would start up randomly.

It was likely a very minor issue... but then i felt so powerless : to fix it I’d have had to send it back and wait, my entire development environment, private files and notes, browser with possibly logged in sessions,... I mean you have to return the entire thing... it’s not like you could replace the power adapter, or screen.

I’ve been wondering about workarounds as I don’t care for "triple a" games, plenty of awesome smaller games that dont need a beefy and hot gpu.

But the only idea i have is to install the os and everything on an external SSD so at least if i have to send it for repair, I have all my dev stuff with me.

I could also have a linux install so i can even use it in theory without the mac, but then what is the point of getting the imac and its os experience right?

So I don’t know what I am missing... how are other devs comfortable with this?

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