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The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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Re: The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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Post by stinos »

diydsp wrote: post #169
stinos wrote: post #49

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no one would notice anything's amiss I doubt it. Perhaps you were lucky with the piece you listened to, but I checked it for 5 minutes and the off-beat things it generates are pretty much unheard of in this genre. Not that there's no off-beat produced by humans, but it doesn't sound anything like this. Simply because what the machine is doing here brakes the rhythm too much, making it harder to dance on, and after al…

This is a rant, from someone who's been playing music for 3 decades, rock, electronic, and classical. Also I've been meditating a lot. I started realizing recently the huge separation between thoughts about music and music itself, just as there is between thoughts and action. The world we live in, of temporary digital media, is a mirror of our thought processes. Our whole modern day and environs are spent in thoughts…

I get what you're saying, but in my opinion the general line of thought sounds a tad too pessimistic or maybe even fatalistic. Perhaps drivent by recent pandemic events? In short: I don't think that one or more people making music, live or otherwise, and others joining to enjoy/dance/go-wild/pick-your-poison on that music is ever going to disappear.

Re: The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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Post by bckr »

alisonatwork wrote: post #190
diydsp wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a rant, from someone who's been playing music for 3 decades, rock, electronic, and classical. Also I've been meditating a lot. I started realizing recently the huge separation between thoughts about music and music itself, just as there is between thoughts and action. The world we live in, of temporary digital media, is a mirror of our thought processes. Our whole modern day and environs are spent in thoughts…

I think you have a point that there is a certain type of music fan that really does want to make a human connection with the artist through the music, and algorithmic composition may never really be enough for those fans. But it's also the case that one of the things that makes electronic music appealing to a lot of people is that it generally doesn't have the cult of personality that exists in other genres. For sure…

> What do you actually get for creating an intelligence that wins a Turing test?

> it's just about creating a cool sound.

I specifically want to create novel hard/dark/minimal techno bangers with similar effort to curating a playlist.

I want a toy that makes music that will keep me and my friends up into the wee hours, without the toil, without the bleeding egoic labor.

And I want people with good taste to have the same ability without putting thousands of hours into learning music theory and arcane details about DAWs and synthesizers and other... Traditional... Tools.

I want to twist the nips of a sexy thump machine and get a good feedback loop[0] going between jerky knees and the stupid-smart NPC musician in my laptop.

I want to spend the night in a tent with eyes that digests my tribe with its acid colors and plays us like so many marionettes until, exhausted, we cut the power and go home. And there wasn't a Guru making it happen, no Chad waiting his turn on the deck, just sound, lightning, and loving this f'n party, man.

The other points about writing songs that express humanity, and the inventor's hubris and all that hit the mark. But deleting the boundary between bedroom production and the rave itself... I'd be hard pressed to imagine anything more fun and exciting.

[0]https://vimeo.com/36579366

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Post by stinos »

coldtea wrote: post #172
stinos wrote: post #96

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Sufficiently intoxicated people will dance to anything I've heard this sentiment before and I always wonder whether it has been given enough thought or whether it's really true for you and the people you know. I mean, me and me friends have left more than one party because we'd rather stroll around the neighbourhood than endure the music the DJ was playing. Admittedly that happened more when not using drugs but it's…

> I mean, me and me friends have left more than one party because we'd rather stroll around the neighbourhood than endure the music the DJ was playing. Was it because the music was bad though, or because you were opinionated against it? E.g. "me and my friends, we don't listen to 2-step garage". > Admittedly that happened more when not using drugs but it's not like drugs suddenly just make you accept anything. You'd…

Was it because the music was bad though, or because you were opinionated against it?

One may not like certain music, but like with other art it gets into tricky territory to objectively call it bad :) Anyway: yes, it was because we found the music not good. Or not up to par with our expectations. Or not matching our current mood.

I don't have strong opinions against music styles anymore since I went through puberty, the only period in a lifetime where that can be forgiven. Haha, I was one of those idiots who thought metal was the only true music and anything with an electronic beat under it had to die and rot in hell and fans thereof needed to be actively made fun of.

Of course life is so much better if you just listen to literally anything and decide based on what you hear. Which didn't take long to realize. That being said, there are a lot of genres which usually don't do anything at all for me, i.e. which don't make me feel a thing. And others which I almost cannot stand listening to. Most of the time individual songs though. Completely normal, but not the same as being opinionated against it.

Re: The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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Post by _joel »

samstave wrote: post #189
_joel wrote: post #152

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Fanzatia NYE93, people outside dancing to a car alarm (quite a famous video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rYXcmVSeBU

Wow - I was going to raves in SF during this period. I've seen these types of people before. Lots of stories from those days.

They caught up with the two people in this recently, they're still doing well (albeit not much raving nowadays :) )

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Post by amatecha »

rjh29 wrote: post #69

Couple observations: 1. The whole thing is done in 1000 lines of code after unobfuscation (including 808 and 303 emulation, sequencer, random generation, UI) - technically it's quite impressive. 2. Part of why it makes such good patterns seems to be reliance on octaves. The patterns usually contain at least 50% or more of the same note repeated, across one or more octaves, and coinciding with rhythmic beats. Even whe…

Years ago I used to hand-sequence synth lines like that and skipping between octaves was the "instant hack" to get compelling patterns by adding dynamism to the sound without making the melody itself too complicated. You could just jump around multiple octaves for literally two notes and have some pretty awesome sounding stuff. Heck, that's what an arpeggiator does, but honestly, doing it by hand can pretty often get better results. Combine with filter envelope key following for even more interesting sound on an otherwise "simple" pattern :)

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Post by joshka »

abetusk wrote: post #85

Vitling just published the source (CC-BY) [0] [1]. [0] https://github.com/vitling/acid-banger [1] https://twitter.com/vvitling/status/1384434602442428416

The pattern generation logic[1] is surprisingly simple.

[1]: https://github.com/vitling/acid-banger/blob/main/src/pattern...

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