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The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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Re: The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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Not really into this type of music, but I'd notice, it sounds pretty average. It's a cool project and concept, but people in the know would notice.

I like this genre, but I don't find this generated music satisfying. My brain is anticipating some 'rule of three', which I don't feel it's following and I therefore feel disappointment. I'm expecting it to switch an established pattern up (more than it does) on the third repeat, just as I get used to it, and to have fractal-like layers of patterns, which I didn't observe.

I agree. This is a very cool project, mainly because the actual synth sounds are good, so it sounds like a legitimate live acid musician hitting the good old "randomize" button on their 303 clone, but it still sounds a bit like a carefully managed "randomize".

I think what makes it work for people is that it evokes that kind of IDM-ish hipster acid music where hearing something a bit unmusical without a 4-to-the-floor "release" is acceptable. But I'm not sure this system would have as much luck putting together an actual "acid banger" like Lochi's London Acid City, Purple Plejade's Blanche, Hardfloor's Acperience etc.

The problem is that a computer can't know when it really came up with a "banger" of a sequence. When you have a real musician, they can sense when a particular sequence really "clicks" for people, somehow it just accents in places that sound cool. Then they can move ahead with that sequence, tease it and build it and bring it to resolution. This is the holy grail of generated music, I think, to somehow get a computer to a place where it can recognize whatever that quality is.

Re: The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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I remember installing ReBirth on my PC many years ago, and so amazed that it can emulate two whole friggin' TB303 analog machines, with a 909 drum kit too, just using the CPU. Which was pegged to 99% during playback. And here we are today, the same thing is running in my browser and taking 2% CPU.

Yep rebirth was amazing. Even more amazing was Reason from the same company I think. Wasted so much time on reason.

Propellerhead, right? I remember opening Reason for the first time (I had no experience with music hardware) and was completely lost. I played around with knobs for a long time trying to make sounds with limited luck. Then I clicked something and the entire rack flipped around and there were patch cables hanging there that I could plug anywhere. I think I plugged things into different holes, the one sound I had going stopped, then I quit the program :)

I eventually ended up reading the manual and getting the hang of it. My friend turned me on to it, and he had it mastered. He produced house music and frequently toured the world with Mark Farina back in the day.

Re: The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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I don't know anything about acid techno. Can someone comment on how accurate this is to the genre? I can't seem to get it to do much but make random beeps and boops, but maybe that's just the style of music?

Compare and contrast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83VzCP_E1mg

{Astral Matrix - Elastic}

Re: The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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Reminds me of how the music in Rez for each stage is a single short loop. It's longer than a bar; I think it might be four bars or so. A 32-bit bitmap for each "layer level" controls which of the loop's 32 MIDI channels are active, creating the illusion of an ever-shifting soundscape.

Re: The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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You clearly do not understand the nature of acid techno. Kidding aside: i agree. Also live manipulation of the patterns by clicking to add/subtract notes/drums would be cool.

> pause button All it does is play a sample of a metal door squeaking open, apply a lowpass, and add ambient chatter of the back alley smokers.

and someone drunkenly asks you for a cigarette

Re: The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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This is a great project, well done. Algorithmic music is fascinating to me, I feel like there's a lot of untapped potential in the concept particularly with more 'complex' genres where higher levels of composition and structural continuity are required. This tends to work much better with loop-based genres but I'd personally love to do a side project on something that could write melodies from some sort of generative…

Autechre have been doing that for quite a while now using Max et al., including computer based composition. Irlite [0] (and Bladelores) both feature some form of compositional changes throughout the track.

0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmwW5kBfltk&list=PL1yYEMwtFZ...

Re: The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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This generates much better patterns than any other music web project I've tried. Awesome work. If you had no music experience, snuck into a club, impersonated a DJ, and just pressed play on this, I think even without touching it, no one would notice anything's amiss. If you messed around with it occasionally, you'd probably get hired back. (And that's a compliment to the app; definitely not a diss of acid techno.)

no one would notice anything's amiss I doubt it. Perhaps you were lucky with the piece you listened to, but I checked it for 5 minutes and the off-beat things it generates are pretty much unheard of in this genre. Not that there's no off-beat produced by humans, but it doesn't sound anything like this. Simply because what the machine is doing here brakes the rhythm too much, making it harder to dance on, and after al…

This is a rant, from someone who's been playing music for 3 decades, rock, electronic, and classical. Also I've been meditating a lot. I started realizing recently the huge separation between thoughts about music and music itself, just as there is between thoughts and action. The world we live in, of temporary digital media, is a mirror of our thought processes. Our whole modern day and environs are spent in thoughts and media, with almost no action... particularly since we started working at home and ordering food in!

Upon seeing a web page's "impressionistic interpretation/reduction" of a decade or so of music driven primarily by economic and social constraints (warehouse techno), it's so easy for people to pile up thoughts. It's so inexpensive and risk-free for people to say, "oh yeah, that there is good techno/acid," without trying it out on a dancefloor, without having listened to hours and hours of it.

There has strangely been a long-term dream of computer scientists to replace composition. To "spit out" songs as someone put it. It's usually too scary to ask ourselves "why?" because it usually is a game of validating one's own mind against others' impressions. For some reason, auto-composition seems like some kind of holy grail, but of what?! Saving money buying music? A fantasy of abundance? A kind of "gotcha!" that a pure thought-person has outwitted a silly irl composer? What do you actually get for creating an intelligence that wins a Turing test? You certainly don't get sweaty friends deliriously dancing on drugs at 3 am. You typically just get another social promotion in the direction of aiding greater powers at their control over the world. Is that what it's about? Closing ourselves off from human musical expression in exchange for increased financial standing? Get a job bc you proved you can fool some of them of the time? To validate a work ethic that regards music as frivolous by demonstrating that it can be simulated accurately enough?

It's not obvious that every decent musical piece is a more complex and interesting story than its notes. That every new synthesis engine can only ever interpolate its inputs as opposed to incorporate new ideas and more importantly experiences. Experiences that relate to a person and group. We all have a sublime attraction to the story of Beethoven - to having been giving a profound gift and slowly lost part of it. We look for ourselves in his work, where did he break down? How did he handle his unfortunate circumstances?

We perceive music in terms of passion - what it cost an individual in hours of life, blisters, health, money, dedication, etc. We revere Kurt Cobain for pouring out everything he had into his music. If a computer program wrote "You Know You're Right," and we knew there wasn't actually someone real who "never failed to feel....PAAAAAAAAIN," it wouldn't matter to us. Because we're all diffractions of some crazy spiritual force no one understands, but it seems like music is a form of "interdigiation" between us. So why plug our own listening energy into a random number generator and call it good? With respect to ppl saying, "now we can have acid anywhere, anytime," I say, "dial up great mixes on youtube, etc." There are real DJs who put together songs in streams that have even greater meanings than the individual songs - bc, again, music is more than just individuals, it's a collective act.

And no matter what the tech of the day is, it will always be applied as if it were to be the "final," perfect means of autocomposing - remember fractal music in the 90s? PCA synthesis in the early 2000s? So as a fun programming challenge, i say to people, sure, write these programs. But why must we persist in proclaiming their relevance to our active lives when they only resonate in our thoughts.

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