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Re: PSPad: A freeware programmer's editor for Windows

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Post by TeddyDD »

TonyTrapp wrote: post #9
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #2

Searched for "LSP" and "Language Server Protocol" and did not find any mentions. Unfortunately, I think the programming languages are getting too complex for an editor to try to maintain smart browsing, smart formatting, code completion, etc. Language Server Protocol allows this language work to be done once by people who are generally actively tracking the language. I think in 2021, a programmer's editor without Lan…

I for one am happy that PSPad takes less than half a second to launch and has a memory footprint of less than 10MB. If I wanted a fancy IDE with perfect syntax highlighting, I wouldn't be using PSPad. I have other tools for that. There's a space for editors that are more complex than Notepad and less complex than your average IDE, and PSPad fits right into that space.

My editor supports LSP, takes 400 ms to load and uses less than 1mb of memory (300mb+ when LSP is active) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: PSPad: A freeware programmer's editor for Windows

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

poisonborz wrote: post #10
mattowen_uk wrote: post #3

Wow, I'd totally forgotten about PSPad... it used to be my editor of choice back in the XP days. These days I use Notepad++ (doesn't everyone on Windows?). I think PSPad could benefit from new screenshots on its website, even though it's clearly still being actively updated, the screenshots make it look like it stagnated 10 years ago.

> These days I use Notepad++ (doesn't everyone on Windows?) In terms of souped up text editor, the exact transition that "everyone" made since: Notepad++ > Sublime Text > Atom > VSCode

You're not wrong; my only regret there is Atom, which never got the performance right when I used it.

VS Code is not great in performance compared to ST either, but it does more and it's got a much bigger ecosystem and developer activities.

ST feels more like a black box, irregular updates, vague provenance, etc. It works, and it worked really well for me back when (in the days when Javascript didn't have proper modules, documentation or types, think early days of NodeJS / NPM, Bower, BackboneJS, etc). But nowadays I'm not sure if it's keeping up with VS Code or IDE's. I'm mainly using intellij at the moment, but it's slow in its critical path - editing code (the main reason from moving away from it in the first place). An editor should NEVER lag or block when the user is typing. ST did this Right. Notepad++ probably does as well.

Re: PSPad: A freeware programmer's editor for Windows

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Post by jhgb »

oaiey wrote: post #15
dagw wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which features are closed source? I thought the only difference the source on GitHub and the binary you download from Microsoft was branding and configuration.

Some of the extensions .. C# Debugger, Remote Server on WSL, SSH, Docker, whatever, Liveshare The modern magic stuff. but the core editor is like you described. Oh, and the market place itself.

Apparently the official C++ extension is not licensed to run in Codium either...although technically it seems to work in Codium just fine. Don't ask how I know. ;)

Re: PSPad: A freeware programmer's editor for Windows

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

recentdarkness wrote: post #13
bantunes wrote: post #8

Unrelated, but hope someone here knows: what was the name for Microsoft's design language around 2002? Example for Frontpage https://media.codeweavers.com/pub/crossover/website/appdb/b7... Looking for any info on its principles, or anything really.

What do you mean by 'design language'? It was a WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) editor, at least as far as I know. What 'design language' are you speaking off? It was supposed to be HTML in the end (well whatever that meant in those editors :D)

Examples: Microsoft's current design language is called Fluent Design. Google's is called Material Design, and Apple's... idk, their old one was Aqua and their current one is referred to as Cupertino I believe?

Not sure if they even gave names to designs back then though, I believe it only became a thing during a design transition era some time ago (moving away from 'skeuomorphic' to 'flat design').

Re: PSPad: A freeware programmer's editor for Windows

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Post by Arkanosis »

PSPad is probably the editor in which I've written most of my code as I was learning programming on my own (mostly PHP on Windows XP, old times…). Before that, I had used Notepad (yes, I did!), Notepad2 and Notepad++, but PSPad had so many features, so well integrated together that I used it almost exclusively.

At some point, I had to switch because… you know… NetBSD. And it was a real pain to start working with Emacs. After years of practice, I'm finally used to it and wouldn't switch to anything else, but PSPad remains the friendliest and most easily discoverable powerful editor I've ever used.

Thanks Jan, I might not be the programmer I am today without PSPad!

Re: PSPad: A freeware programmer's editor for Windows

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Post by 1_player »

bantunes wrote: post #8

Unrelated, but hope someone here knows: what was the name for Microsoft's design language around 2002? Example for Frontpage https://media.codeweavers.com/pub/crossover/website/appdb/b7... Looking for any info on its principles, or anything really.

I couldn't find much about it. I was learning to program MFC at the time, and just before Windows XP appeared Microsoft started experimenting with that flat buttons style, which I really wanted to adopt my apps.

I don't think it was an actual design change from Microsoft, just some transitional look-and-feel they adopted which sits between Office 2000 with the classic Windows 95+ look, and Office 2003 inheriting the Fisher-Price oversatured cartoony look of Windows XP.

https://bcgsoft.com/featuretour/tour163.htm

Re: PSPad: A freeware programmer's editor for Windows

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Post by TeMPOraL »

oaiey wrote: post #15
dagw wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which features are closed source? I thought the only difference the source on GitHub and the binary you download from Microsoft was branding and configuration.

Some of the extensions .. C# Debugger, Remote Server on WSL, SSH, Docker, whatever, Liveshare The modern magic stuff. but the core editor is like you described. Oh, and the market place itself.

Also C++ language server, Python language server...

Which is kind of annoying to me, because the whole value proposition of VS Code to me is that it drives language sever development, which lets me use Emacs instead of VS Code :).

Fortunately, Clang can cross-compile for Windows while pretending to be MSVC, so I figured out how to make clangd work with MSVC-specific codebases, and I'm good for now.

Re: PSPad: A freeware programmer's editor for Windows

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Post by nereye »

bantunes wrote: post #8

Unrelated, but hope someone here knows: what was the name for Microsoft's design language around 2002? Example for Frontpage https://media.codeweavers.com/pub/crossover/website/appdb/b7... Looking for any info on its principles, or anything really.

There is a snippet linked to from Wikipedia’s article on Office XP (see section on streamlined user interface):

https://web.archive.org/web/20050930195959/http://download.m...

The overall UI still uses the Command Bars concept (merging of menus and toolbars) first used in Office 97.

Re: PSPad: A freeware programmer's editor for Windows

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Post by tralarpa »

1_player wrote: post #26
bantunes wrote: post #8

Unrelated, but hope someone here knows: what was the name for Microsoft's design language around 2002? Example for Frontpage https://media.codeweavers.com/pub/crossover/website/appdb/b7... Looking for any info on its principles, or anything really.

I couldn't find much about it. I was learning to program MFC at the time, and just before Windows XP appeared Microsoft started experimenting with that flat buttons style, which I really wanted to adopt my apps. I don't think it was an actual design change from Microsoft, just some transitional look-and-feel they adopted which sits between Office 2000 with the classic Windows 95+ look, and Office 2003 inheriting the…

> flat buttons style, which I really wanted to adopt my apps

Everybody wanted them :) 2000 or 2001, right? It was TBSTYLE_FLAT.

Re: PSPad: A freeware programmer's editor for Windows

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Post by Pelic4n »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #2

Searched for "LSP" and "Language Server Protocol" and did not find any mentions. Unfortunately, I think the programming languages are getting too complex for an editor to try to maintain smart browsing, smart formatting, code completion, etc. Language Server Protocol allows this language work to be done once by people who are generally actively tracking the language. I think in 2021, a programmer's editor without Lan…

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