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Re: The Hotdog web browser and browser engine

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It's great to see yet another attempt at writing a web browser --- and I say this as someone who has been (slowly) working on one myself. The browser is far from stable, spec-compliant, or even really useful, but, I'm slowly working on bringing more features and supporting more sites. When the specs are constantly churning in order to keep one gigantic company's browser an effective monopoly, maybe it isn't really th…

> When the specs are constantly churning in order to keep one gigantic company's browser an effective monopoly, maybe it isn't really that important to follow them so closely... The notion breaks as soon as your users want to use youtube or gmail, which for some mysterious reason keep insisting on using all these useless "standards" even though they have no benefit to the user.

mail.google.com and YouTube.com are just frontends.

There are alternative and better ways to access gmail and YouTube.

I just found this one for youtube and twitter for example: https://www.reddit.com/r/privacytoolsIO/comments/jlkqxa/any_...

Re: The Hotdog web browser and browser engine

#52
post #43

It's great to see yet another attempt at writing a web browser --- and I say this as someone who has been (slowly) working on one myself. The browser is far from stable, spec-compliant, or even really useful, but, I'm slowly working on bringing more features and supporting more sites. When the specs are constantly churning in order to keep one gigantic company's browser an effective monopoly, maybe it isn't really th…

The idea of "minimal browsers" is a popular one and there are thriving communities based on this idea: Gopher is a dead simple text-based protocol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopher_(protocol) Project Gemini is a slightly more powerful protocol for the small web: https://gemini.circumlunar.space/ The tilde (~) community, which makes the small web social: https://tilde.club/ I recommend you have a look at James Tom…

> Gopher is a dead simple text-based protocol

Shameless plug for my own Gopher Client:

http://www.mattowen.co.uk/gopher/gopher-client-browser-for-w...

Re: The Hotdog web browser and browser engine

#54
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really what did JavaScript bring us? (And there goes my points!) I want to search for information and share information with people. I don't want any more from the net. It feels like what we want is being surpassed by those who want to monetise us.

You can disable JavaScript by default for some time and then look at the list of websites and apps where you enabled it again. It has been a very frustrating experience to me.

Your frustrating experience was before you disabled javascript or after?

Re: The Hotdog web browser and browser engine

#55

It's great to see yet another attempt at writing a web browser --- and I say this as someone who has been (slowly) working on one myself. The browser is far from stable, spec-compliant, or even really useful, but, I'm slowly working on bringing more features and supporting more sites. When the specs are constantly churning in order to keep one gigantic company's browser an effective monopoly, maybe it isn't really th…

> Maybe if enough of these "minimal browsers" show up, people might even realise that basic HTML and CSS is quite sufficient for a lot of things and start creating simpler, more efficient sites, thus dissolving the monopoly.

I feel like some initiative to establish a super 'light' version of the html/css specs might be a very good thing...browsers are so far gone out of the hands of individual coders or even small teams now because of their complexity.

Re: The Hotdog web browser and browser engine

#56
post #24

It's great to see yet another attempt at writing a web browser --- and I say this as someone who has been (slowly) working on one myself. The browser is far from stable, spec-compliant, or even really useful, but, I'm slowly working on bringing more features and supporting more sites. When the specs are constantly churning in order to keep one gigantic company's browser an effective monopoly, maybe it isn't really th…

> When the specs are constantly churning in order to keep one gigantic company's browser an effective monopoly, maybe it isn't really that important to follow them so closely... The notion breaks as soon as your users want to use youtube or gmail, which for some mysterious reason keep insisting on using all these useless "standards" even though they have no benefit to the user.

This notion also breaks when user wants to use govt and financial (bank, etc) web-sites.

Re: The Hotdog web browser and browser engine

#57

It's great to see yet another attempt at writing a web browser --- and I say this as someone who has been (slowly) working on one myself. The browser is far from stable, spec-compliant, or even really useful, but, I'm slowly working on bringing more features and supporting more sites. When the specs are constantly churning in order to keep one gigantic company's browser an effective monopoly, maybe it isn't really th…

honestly, I have been toying with the idea of building a web browser project that has no JavaScript. just completely ignores the script tag or any JavaScript related things. like onclick, and other attributes.

I use Firefox with uMatrix to basically block any JavaScript that I don't explicitly enable. Twenty years ago, browsing the internet without JavaScript was fairly easy. But these days, it seems like upwards of 60% of websites simply don't work at all without JavaScript.

I wonder if there are any projects that help people find sites that don't use JavaScript. Search engines that only index JavaScript-free sites, old school "blog rings" that only link JavaScript free sites together.

Re: The Hotdog web browser and browser engine

#58

It's great to see yet another attempt at writing a web browser --- and I say this as someone who has been (slowly) working on one myself. The browser is far from stable, spec-compliant, or even really useful, but, I'm slowly working on bringing more features and supporting more sites. When the specs are constantly churning in order to keep one gigantic company's browser an effective monopoly, maybe it isn't really th…

My dream browser would have two engines -- a simple, very fast engine for "document-like" web pages and a more complex engine that can be loaded on demand using a UI similar to NoScript.

Re: The Hotdog web browser and browser engine

#59
post #58

It's great to see yet another attempt at writing a web browser --- and I say this as someone who has been (slowly) working on one myself. The browser is far from stable, spec-compliant, or even really useful, but, I'm slowly working on bringing more features and supporting more sites. When the specs are constantly churning in order to keep one gigantic company's browser an effective monopoly, maybe it isn't really th…

My dream browser would have two engines -- a simple, very fast engine for "document-like" web pages and a more complex engine that can be loaded on demand using a UI similar to NoScript.

Do normal document like web pages render slowly in modern browsers for you?

Re: The Hotdog web browser and browser engine

#60

It's great to see yet another attempt at writing a web browser --- and I say this as someone who has been (slowly) working on one myself. The browser is far from stable, spec-compliant, or even really useful, but, I'm slowly working on bringing more features and supporting more sites. When the specs are constantly churning in order to keep one gigantic company's browser an effective monopoly, maybe it isn't really th…

> Maybe if enough of these "minimal browsers" show up, people might even realise that basic HTML and CSS is quite sufficient for a lot of things and start creating simpler, more efficient sites, thus dissolving the monopoly. I feel like some initiative to establish a super 'light' version of the html/css specs might be a very good thing...browsers are so far gone out of the hands of individual coders or even small te…

This is something I had been pondering. Rather than making a new 'standard' based on a new technology and thus expanding the standards base with complexity, we can go the other way.

Make a specification based on old tried and tested tech. Thinking something like a set HTML/CSS specs that can be implemented fairly easily. It is a spec that is essentially something a website can be built to knowing that end browsers/users can anticipate being able to render. It doesn't need anything new to be added into current browsers but it is simply enough that others can built their browser too.

A vague standard I figured would be that a single person should be able to implement the full spec from the ground up in about one years full time work. If done in a group in a free/open manner it could theoretically be done quicker. That said there is the old joke. Two programmers can do in two months what one programmer can do in one month.

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