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Re: The Hotdog web browser and browser engine

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Post by csande17 » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 4:51 AM UTC

surround wrote: post #16

How come entire operating systems are able to be developed on community-supported efforts (like Debian) but browsers can only be developed by monoliths like Google and Apple (and Mozilla, which has ~750 employees and makes most of its money from Google)?

In practice, many of the components used in desktop Linux distributions are developed by an IBM subsidiary called "Red Hat" which has 12,000 employees. Systemd, GNOME, PulseAudio, X and Wayland, all of these are primarily maintained by Red Hat employees operating under various shell organizations.

Re: The Hotdog web browser and browser engine

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Post by speedgoose » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 4:54 AM UTC

marakv2 wrote: post #22

Daegalus wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

honestly, I have been toying with the idea of building a web browser project that has no JavaScript. just completely ignores the script tag or any JavaScript related things. like onclick, and other attributes.

Really what did JavaScript bring us? (And there goes my points!) I want to search for information and share information with people. I don't want any more from the net. It feels like what we want is being surpassed by those who want to monetise us.

You can disable JavaScript by default for some time and then look at the list of websites and apps where you enabled it again. It has been a very frustrating experience to me.

Re: The Hotdog web browser and browser engine

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Post by nzmsv » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 5:10 AM UTC

surround wrote: post #16

How come entire operating systems are able to be developed on community-supported efforts (like Debian) but browsers can only be developed by monoliths like Google and Apple (and Mozilla, which has ~750 employees and makes most of its money from Google)?

Chrome is based on WebKit, which itself is descended from KHTML. That was essentially a little widget for formatting help pages in KDE and only had a handful of developers. In fact, it was chosen as the basis for WebKit because it was minimalistic clean code.

Re: The Hotdog web browser and browser engine

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Post by kibleopard » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 5:24 AM UTC

Sweet! I’ve also been working on my own (toy) browser from scratch following https://browser.engineering - would definitely recommend to anyone who wants to get started on their own, granted it’s still a work in progress.

Re: The Hotdog web browser and browser engine

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Post by eitland » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 5:28 AM UTC

userbinator wrote: post #10

It's great to see yet another attempt at writing a web browser --- and I say this as someone who has been (slowly) working on one myself. The browser is far from stable, spec-compliant, or even really useful, but, I'm slowly working on bringing more features and supporting more sites. When the specs are constantly churning in order to keep one gigantic company's browser an effective monopoly, maybe it isn't really th…

I've been arguing this for a while: I want a browser that deliberately cannot run random scripts; only from a vetted source.

That source will contain stuff like autocomplete and htmx or similar.

If something doesn't work with that it asks you if you want to enable "bloat mode - warning: unsafe" and I the user chooses it enables a full browser engine.

Re: The Hotdog web browser and browser engine

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Post by AussieWog93 » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 5:58 AM UTC

rstat1 wrote: post #12

CrazyCatDog wrote: post #9

Screenshots are LACED chalk-full of explicit vocabulary... https://raw.githubusercontent.com/danfragoso/thdwb/master/im...

I just see regular words there. What's the big deal?

It seems fair enough to me to warn people about rude words. There are still some people who are offended by them (to be fair, I can't imagine many of them are here), and there are quite a lot on that page.

Re: The Hotdog web browser and browser engine

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Post by mro_name » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 6:06 AM UTC

jetti wrote: post #28

userbinator wrote: post #10

It's great to see yet another attempt at writing a web browser --- and I say this as someone who has been (slowly) working on one myself. The browser is far from stable, spec-compliant, or even really useful, but, I'm slowly working on bringing more features and supporting more sites. When the specs are constantly churning in order to keep one gigantic company's browser an effective monopoly, maybe it isn't really th…

The way I see it is that for many people web applications have replaced their need for desktop applications while giving a somewhat comparable experience. I think it would be a very hard sell for the average user to want to use a "minimal browser" because it could mean giving up a lot of day to day functionality they rely on.

It doesn't habe to be "one browser to view them all" - take a simple, robust one for random web and a bloated one for trusted applications.

Re: The Hotdog web browser and browser engine

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Post by fartcannon » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 6:10 AM UTC

Does it pass the Acid3 test?

I haven't thought about that in a long time. Not since I was using Konqueror + khtml engine.

Re: The Hotdog web browser and browser engine

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Post by marakv2 » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 6:19 AM UTC

speedgoose wrote: post #32

marakv2 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really what did JavaScript bring us? (And there goes my points!) I want to search for information and share information with people. I don't want any more from the net. It feels like what we want is being surpassed by those who want to monetise us.

You can disable JavaScript by default for some time and then look at the list of websites and apps where you enabled it again. It has been a very frustrating experience to me.

It's quite maddening. The only thing I've done with JavaScript is tracking customers, even if they sent logged in.

Now I'm a very unique slice, I only take quick contracts from upwork and such as I don't have the pedigree to get a proper job in coding.

Re: The Hotdog web browser and browser engine

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Post by jraph » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 6:19 AM UTC

eitland wrote: post #35

userbinator wrote: post #10

It's great to see yet another attempt at writing a web browser --- and I say this as someone who has been (slowly) working on one myself. The browser is far from stable, spec-compliant, or even really useful, but, I'm slowly working on bringing more features and supporting more sites. When the specs are constantly churning in order to keep one gigantic company's browser an effective monopoly, maybe it isn't really th…

I've been arguing this for a while: I want a browser that deliberately cannot run random scripts; only from a vetted source. That source will contain stuff like autocomplete and htmx or similar. If something doesn't work with that it asks you if you want to enable "bloat mode - warning: unsafe" and I the user chooses it enables a full browser engine.

uBlock Origin with JavaScript disabled by default comes close and I'm currently using it like this.

You can temporarily re-enable scripts for a website, or "lock" the reactivation for websites requiring Javascript and you need to use regularly.

My computer is once again cool, fast and quiet.