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Re: Firefox 88.0

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Post by zajio1am »

kbenson wrote: post #100
lou1306 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FTP is still pretty much alive in research as well (well, until now). I also used it in the past week. I understand it has flaws, but... I don't know, this seems yet another nail in the Old Web coffin.

"Has flaws" is an understatement. FTP does not play well with the current way the web is set up. Any firewalling or NAT is a pain unless you have the firewall introspect the FTP commands, which is easy for plain FTP because it's plain text and unencrypted , but once you start encrypting the transport it gets more complex, and you need to add support for that in the firewall. There's also often two connection channels…

> FTP does not play well with the current way the web is set up. Any firewalling or NAT is a pain unless you have the firewall introspect the FTP commands,

That is true only for active mode FTP. Firefox (and many other clients) already used passive mode FTP by default, which passes through NATs and firewalls just fine without need for special help.

Re: Firefox 88.0

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Post by bscphil »

andrepd wrote: post #116
childintime wrote: post #92

Disappointed. There is so much low hanging fruit in the GUI department: - have bookmarks/history stay on the page you open it on (and no other) - have bookmarks and history occupy a full page, instead of shoveled into a GUI element, dialog style - option to collapse tabs into a page (tab) - make the "tabs window" (the downward arrow after +) a tab, so the tabs can be sorted, searched in, or copied from, as html, to a…

Yes, I can't believe Firefox is still using a 15 years old bookmark/history dialog with atrocious UI. Completely unusable for anything but the most superficial inspection of your browsing history.

What do you dislike about it? Specifically, what about it makes it "unusable" for bookmark management, and what UI changes would constitute an improvement?

I strongly prefer it to the apparent alternative, which seems to be an HTML-native interface in a tab. In fact I think doing that to preferences (about:preferences) was a step in the wrong direction. Not only is the result rather ugly (IMHO), I'm constantly losing my preferences tab among my other tabs, whereas a separate window with a native UI has a single instance (more appropriate for preferences) and doesn't get commingled with web pages.

Re: Firefox 88.0

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Post by kbenson »

zajio1am wrote: post #181
kbenson wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Has flaws" is an understatement. FTP does not play well with the current way the web is set up. Any firewalling or NAT is a pain unless you have the firewall introspect the FTP commands, which is easy for plain FTP because it's plain text and unencrypted , but once you start encrypting the transport it gets more complex, and you need to add support for that in the firewall. There's also often two connection channels…

> FTP does not play well with the current way the web is set up. Any firewalling or NAT is a pain unless you have the firewall introspect the FTP commands, That is true only for active mode FTP. Firefox (and many other clients) already used passive mode FTP by default, which passes through NATs and firewalls just fine without need for special help.

Active FTP is a problem if the client is firewalled or behind NAT. Passive mode is a problem if the server is firewalled or behind NAT. The client makes both connections to the server, but still using a second arranged port, so any firewalling on the server has to either be aware of the specific port requested, or a wide range of ports needs to be directly passed through. This is what I was talking about with FTP aware firewalls.

This is what the ip_conntrack_ftp and ip_nat_ftp Linux kernel modules are, a way to make iptables more FTP aware by supplementing iptables at the kernel level.

This is also what OpenBSD's ftp-proxy utility is for, a way to deal with this without resorting to privileged specialty packet processing code, and a way to bypass not being able to see into encrypted traffic.

The fact that these workarounds exist is a testament to how hard FTP has been to deal with in the modern era of the web.

1: https://man.openbsd.org/ftp-proxy.8

Re: Firefox 88.0

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Post by bscphil »

butz wrote: post #176
conradfr wrote: post #60

I'm not looking forward to Firefox 89 with Proton and its redesigned tabs. edit: I'm surprised people like them: https://mk0ghacksnety2pjrgh8.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/upload...

You might be able to revert them using userchrome.css ( https://www.userchrome.org/megabar-styling-firefox-address-b... ). And as "megabar" update has shown, this new "tab" style will probably be reverted in future redesign.

> And as "megabar" update has shown, this new "tab" style will probably be reverted in future redesign.

Did they really revert the megabar? I can't find anything about that with searches. (I fixed it to look exactly like the old design with usercss, so I can't easily check myself.)

As a side note, anyone using TreeStyleTab is probably immune from Mozilla's awful tab style revamp, as the tabs in TST are styled using CSS by the extension.

Re: Firefox 88.0

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Post by lousken »

drewda wrote: post #3

> PDF forms now support JavaScript embedded in PDF files. Some PDF forms use JavaScript for validation and other interactive features. The amount of complexity that one can put into a PDF is both surprising and a tad frightening.

anyone figured out how to disable this?

Re: Firefox 88.0

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Post by trog »

jacobmischka wrote: post #59

Does anyone know if there is an RSS feed for release notes? I couldn't find one, and the usual adding feed.xml to the URL trick didn't work in any of the instances I tried.

I have been using the Google Group RSS view from the mozilla.announce mailing list:

https://groups.google.com/forum/feed/mozilla.announce/msgs/r...

... which has been awesome, but I note I didn't get an item for this new version - looks like as of a couple weeks ago they have moved to a new mailing list system so this feed is gone.

The new Google Group is https://groups.google.com/a/mozilla.org/g/announce but after a few minutes of guessing I haven't figured out how to get an RSS view.

Re: Firefox 88.0

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Post by emptyparadise »

pfranz wrote: post #175
bluenose69 wrote: post #150

I have this and Safari both open to github.com on my macos box. This site has an animation showing recent github activity on a globe. It's coded in javascript, AFAIK. Firefox is using 55% of my CPU, whilst Safari is using 3%. As someone who used Firefox exclusively back in the day (and mozilla before that), I will continue to try tests like this every time a new Firefox is released. Maybe, someday, the energy contras…

I remember creating a moderately large spreadsheet in Google Docs last year. Safari unloaded the page and forced a refresh every time I switched away. Firefox would hang recomputing formulas and only Chrome scaled well. I'm looking to move to Safari by default. I just need to get over some UI differences. It drives me nuts that Firefox doesn't use the native context menus (I use "Look Up" constantly) and Text Shortcu…

With Google services specifically, it might be Google shenanigans at play rather than the other two browsers being genuinely inferior.

Re: Firefox 88.0

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Post by bscphil »

quesera wrote: post #106
coliveira wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me bring some news: all websites already use javascript. Loading javascript from PDFs will be just another source of javascript vulnerabilities.

You're both condescending and incorrect. Bad combination! Zero websites automatically get JavaScript access from me, and many other savvy web users. If PDFs are not subject to these same controls in Firefox, then this could be a security and privacy vulnerability.

> Zero websites automatically get JavaScript access from me, and many other savvy web users.

Even if this weren't true, it would still be false that "all websites already use JavaScript".

Re: Firefox 88.0

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Post by zouhair »

tristan957 wrote: post #119
DangerousPie wrote: post #9

I can see why they are doing it but I'll really miss FTP support. A lot of public data continuous to be distributed through FTPs and for a long time Firefox has been the easiest way to browse them.

You can use cURL to access FTP sites fyi.

You can also use assembler to make a video game.

Re: Firefox 88.0

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Post by Evidlo »

Evidlo wrote: post #95

Does Firefox not import profiles from old versions? I upgraded 85->88 and got the message "this installation has a new profile" and am missing all my history, bookmarks and addons.

I fixed it by making my old profile the default in about:profiles

It's weird that a new profile was created in the first place.

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