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Re: Livebook: A collaborative and interactive code notebook for Elixir

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You keep bringing up “Elixir has peaked” but you don’t provide any concrete evidence for that. The only mention so far is Stack Overflow, which is not used by the community, and such was explained to you on separate occasions. Someone mentioned Elixir has just passed top 50 on TIOBE - that’s growth. It also just crossed top 20 on GitHub by number of pull requests on Q1/2021. I am not disputing it is niche. I am not d…

The problem with Elixir is it's too small to get good data on (I'm not being mean, that's the truth). Tiobe has trends only for the top 20 languages so can't use that. The best I've got is Stackoverflow survey (are you saying Elixir devs don't use Stackoverflow at all? I find it bizarre. Even if you use Elixir forum a modern dev has questions on many things he needs answered (css, javascript, sql etc). So please comp…

It is a data point, not definitive.

The language could be shrinking in comparison to everything an still be growing. I don't think that's the case but it wouldn't change anything for me. I don't work with a proportion of client according to trends. I work with particular companies and I'm at capacity doing Elixir as are many I know.

I believe it has a stronger trend then you believe it does. But neither of us have strong data.

Re: Livebook: A collaborative and interactive code notebook for Elixir

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Would like to know how Livebook achieve collaborate-editing. Does it use algorithms like CRDT or OT ?

OT. Using quill js on the frontend and a subset of that delta format handled on the backend. From conversation with Jose on Twitter.

Re: Livebook: A collaborative and interactive code notebook for Elixir

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Try not to sound like you're diminishing the efforts and accomplishments of others. This is tremendous work, they're running their business and come up with generic/generalisable solutions instead of narrowing the outcome to their own benefits only.

When Facebook spends engineering effort to work on React, it's not out of the kindness of their heart, and that's ok. It's still productive and an accomplishment, it's just productive for a reason that pertains to their business. It is the same here. This tool helps the adoption of Elixir, running Elixir is their business, so yay! But the comment I was replying to implied this is somehow entirely separate from their…

I fully agree on the analysis. I can't say I'd have done a better job at phrasing, but I would have emphasized on the balance between business and contributions, rather than (from my reading) insisting on the business implications mostly.

Re: Livebook: A collaborative and interactive code notebook for Elixir

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post #83

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The problem with Elixir is it's too small to get good data on (I'm not being mean, that's the truth). Tiobe has trends only for the top 20 languages so can't use that. The best I've got is Stackoverflow survey (are you saying Elixir devs don't use Stackoverflow at all? I find it bizarre. Even if you use Elixir forum a modern dev has questions on many things he needs answered (css, javascript, sql etc). So please comp…

It is a data point, not definitive. The language could be shrinking in comparison to everything an still be growing. I don't think that's the case but it wouldn't change anything for me. I don't work with a proportion of client according to trends. I work with particular companies and I'm at capacity doing Elixir as are many I know. I believe it has a stronger trend then you believe it does. But neither of us have st…

Aren't clients considering migrating to different tech? I'm not trying to be annoying, genuinely interested. My current company considered it and they're a Ruby shop (luckily for them they rejected the idea). The thinking was something along the lines of Ruby is declining and how will they find developers 10 years from now. So if people can get this paranoid about Ruby I'm interested how it is on Elixir land.
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