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Huawei ‘may have eavesdropped on Dutch mobile network’s calls’

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Re: Huawei ‘may have eavesdropped on Dutch mobile network’s calls’

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Post by amaccuish »

contravariant wrote: post #18
sschueller wrote: post #5

Interesting how this 3 day old story is getting twisted more and more. Can we stick to the facts? Huawei was used for outsourcing, Huawei obviously has root access. If you outsource your IT to a company with known ties to a foreign government you can't complain about them having sensitive access.

I don't think the people complaining are the ones who chose to give root access to a company with known ties to a foreign government.

Then why do they spin it as if Huawei abused their access? Surely they could just make their opposition known without all the wink wink going on.

Re: Huawei ‘may have eavesdropped on Dutch mobile network’s calls’

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Post by amaccuish »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #11
nottorp wrote: post #10

Funny, a couple days ago the title was "Huawei spied on Dutch bla bla". Today it's "may have spied". The original article (well, the translation bondarchuk posted here) says they had the access. Not that they did anything with it.

You're tldr; is a bit wrong. They had unauthorized access, which means they used it. It's not clear for what currently, that's why it describes the scope of access. They also found that the application can tap entire phone calls, which was forbidden. Edit: What do you think the following means ( Dutch is my native tongue, lol): > ‘Ongecontroleerde en ongeautoriseerde toegang vanuit China heeft na 28 oktober 2009 daad…

Two things wrong.

> They had unauthorized access

No it doesn't

>which means they used it

Does it?

As per HN regs, "The article mentions that."

Re: Huawei ‘may have eavesdropped on Dutch mobile network’s calls’

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Post by RyEgswuCsn »

throwaway4china wrote: post #29
RyEgswuCsn wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest I do wonder what other countries' government do with the data they have gathered on their citizens as well as foreign personnel. I guess it must be that the justice league countries are using those data to protect their citizens and defend human rights across the globe.

It's more the structure of the government rather than a justice league. The governments are held accountable by the people. Such is not true in China. You don't have to wonder what China does with it's data. They track and imprison people for their dissent and ethnic status. There is no trial by jury. You are sent off to a work camp. That does not happen in modern democracies. If you have evidence of such, please pre…

Well I guess Wikipedia is a starting point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Human_rights_abuses_i...

About the US immigration centres --- I am not sure if those who suffered there would had come to those camps if they had knew what's happening in them, especially the children.

Re: Huawei ‘may have eavesdropped on Dutch mobile network’s calls’

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Post by throwaway4china »

RyEgswuCsn wrote: post #33
throwaway4china wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's more the structure of the government rather than a justice league. The governments are held accountable by the people. Such is not true in China. You don't have to wonder what China does with it's data. They track and imprison people for their dissent and ethnic status. There is no trial by jury. You are sent off to a work camp. That does not happen in modern democracies. If you have evidence of such, please pre…

Well I guess Wikipedia is a starting point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Human_rights_abuses_i... About the US immigration centres --- I am not sure if those who suffered there would had come to those camps if they had knew what's happening in them, especially the children.

Sure pick something from the list that is an ongoing human rights violation from the government that they are using data harvesting to continue.

Bonus points if it's equivalent to GENOCIDE, which is what the ONGOING human rights violation in China is.

The data going to them helps them continue this GENOCIDE.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_genocide_of_Uyghurs

You like linking to wikipedia, which article from the list you linked is equivalent to my link?

Must meet the requirements of it being CURRENT and caused by the government DIRECTLY.

All cultures have a bad and violent history. What matters is your current morals.

Re: Huawei ‘may have eavesdropped on Dutch mobile network’s calls’

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Post by amaccuish »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #21
RyEgswuCsn wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get it. Won't your logic imply that all locksmiths are trespassers now? Because, you know, they have unauthorized access to most premises secured by locks.

It's more like a locksmith that comes into your house when you didn't call this time. And installed the first time they came, a device to check everyone that comes in ( since they discovered an Chinese application that listens to phone calls) > En ze doen nog een ernstige ontdekking. De zes Chinese medewerkers werken met een programma dat hen in staat stelt om elk telefoongesprek dat via KPN gaat mee te luisteren. Oo…

> It's more like a locksmith that comes into your house when you didn't call this time. And installed the first time they came, a device to check everyone that comes in ( since they discovered an Chinese application that listens to phone calls)

It's more like a locksmith coming into your home because you asked him to manage the locks and ensure they were in working condition... and surprise he keeps them in working condition.

In other news, USA asks Cisco to build routers for NSA network and accuses NSA of having too much access, which they could have used.

Re: Huawei ‘may have eavesdropped on Dutch mobile network’s calls’

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Post by Boywithhalo »

throwaway4good wrote: post #23
varispeed wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because you have a root access, it doesn't mean you can just make yourself at home and grab any data you want.

And it doesn't mean that they did.

Capgemini report states that unchecked and unauthorized from China happened after October 28 2009; as reported by the journalist that broke this news: https://twitter.com/huibmodderkolk/status/138335058865459200...

Re: Huawei ‘may have eavesdropped on Dutch mobile network’s calls’

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Post by RyEgswuCsn »

throwaway4china wrote: post #34
RyEgswuCsn wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I guess Wikipedia is a starting point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Human_rights_abuses_i... About the US immigration centres --- I am not sure if those who suffered there would had come to those camps if they had knew what's happening in them, especially the children.

Sure pick something from the list that is an ongoing human rights violation from the government that they are using data harvesting to continue. Bonus points if it's equivalent to GENOCIDE, which is what the ONGOING human rights violation in China is. The data going to them helps them continue this GENOCIDE. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_genocide_of_Uyghurs You like linking to wikipedia, which article from t…

How about the incidents described in this article: https://www.acslaw.org/expertforum/mass-surveillance-and-bla...

Re: Huawei ‘may have eavesdropped on Dutch mobile network’s calls’

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Post by throwaway4china »

RyEgswuCsn wrote: post #37
throwaway4china wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure pick something from the list that is an ongoing human rights violation from the government that they are using data harvesting to continue. Bonus points if it's equivalent to GENOCIDE, which is what the ONGOING human rights violation in China is. The data going to them helps them continue this GENOCIDE. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_genocide_of_Uyghurs You like linking to wikipedia, which article from t…

How about the incidents described in this article: https://www.acslaw.org/expertforum/mass-surveillance-and-bla...

The US is not tracking down and transporting all blacks to work camps to "reeducate them" with the data they collect.

The CCP is doing this to their Uighur population. Do you not see the difference in extremes?

Re: Huawei ‘may have eavesdropped on Dutch mobile network’s calls’

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Post by NicoJuicy »

amaccuish wrote: post #35
NicoJuicy wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's more like a locksmith that comes into your house when you didn't call this time. And installed the first time they came, a device to check everyone that comes in ( since they discovered an Chinese application that listens to phone calls) > En ze doen nog een ernstige ontdekking. De zes Chinese medewerkers werken met een programma dat hen in staat stelt om elk telefoongesprek dat via KPN gaat mee te luisteren. Oo…

> It's more like a locksmith that comes into your house when you didn't call this time. And installed the first time they came, a device to check everyone that comes in ( since they discovered an Chinese application that listens to phone calls) It's more like a locksmith coming into your home because you asked him to manage the locks and ensure they were in working condition... and surprise he keeps them in working c…

Huawei had unauthorized access from China and they circumvented the password policy from KPN.

They may have eavesdropped, because they had an application that could listen to every phone call on the KPN network. Which was forbidden.

https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/huawei-kon-alle...

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