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Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Re: Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Post by akagusu »

pjerem wrote: post #43
seniorivn wrote: post #38

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the valid criticism of opinionated gnome desktop is that gnome is being redesigned right now with no particular reason, just highly opinionated developers feel like it. That's weird from a gnome user perspective(the one that agreed with previous iteration of opinionated work flow).

Well, that's the project of those "highly opinionated developers". They work for free, and they really sleep well if you prefer to install XFCE or create a fork of the previous iterations of Gnome.

Gnome Foundation rises lots of money from both companies and individuals and there are gnome developers working full-time or part-time and being paid to do it, so this old argument "this is free software, they work for free in their spare time, they owe you nothing" doesn't apply in this context.

Re: Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Post by squarefoot »

kaba0 wrote: post #20
squarefoot wrote: post #14

Please stop putting action/choice buttons (Ok, Cancel, Yes, No, etc.) on windows title bars! There has been a reason why they were placed at the bottom: I grab a window by its title bar and if needed I can arrange it through the closest controls over there that should be only the buttons to act on the window itself and not the contents, then I read the contents and while doing so my focus moves towards the window low…

Just a note that you can press Super, and drag a window from anywhere.

I know that, the problem is having to move the attention back to the upper part of the window after having read its contents: it's counter intuitive as I have to move my eyes up to down to read, then up again to take an action.

Re: Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Post by pjmlp »

unionpivo wrote: post #59
pjmlp wrote: post #47

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It is a matter of taste, nothing against KDE, or the minority role it currently holds on Gtk dominated landscape.

Not sure if it's really minority. Have been using desktop Linux for almost 2 decades, My last 2 workplaces have been Linux desktop centric. Helped deploy quite a few Linux workstations. I don't know many people that use Gnome. Most use either KDE or some tiling WM (or some custom fork of Gnome2/3 that looks nothing like default gnome). When Ubuntu dropped unity, some people went to gnome, some stayed but at least in…

Red-Hat Linux Enterprise, CentOS and Ubuntu, with default window manager, is what I usually find on the customers I deal with.

On the cloud deployments it doesn't matter as they are accessible via ssh and cloud shells, and X Windows servers can be mapped to single windows.

Re: Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Post by akagusu »

I'm a happy Gnome user since Gnome 2 was released and I like the mobile-like style of Gnome and other desktops, but I agree with almost all criticism directed to Gnome 40 and Gnome in general.

Did I like Gnome 40? Hell, yeah! Is it suck? Hell, yeah!

It sucks because, again, it disrupts my workflow, a little less than Gnome 3, but yet is a redesign with no good reason except the taste of Gnome devs.

Of course they can do whatever they want, but it is disrespectful with users that invested their time not only using but promoting Gnome and its ecosystem.

I have a keyboard-centric workflow and yet it is really annoying how much clicks I need when I use the mouse because despite having keyboard shortcuts there are a lot of stuff in Gnome hidden in menus, buttons and dialogs with no shortcuts at all.

People say the criticism is from people that don't use or don't like Gnome, but it is not true. Gnome users have a lot of criticism but Gnome devs don't care about it. Even developers that build apps using GTK and Gnome have criticism but, again, Gnome devs don't care.

I think Gnome 40 is a good time for both Gnome devs and Gnome users learn how to receive these criticism, from both people inside and outside Gnome community.

Re: Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Post by ldng »

pjerem wrote: post #42
ldng wrote: post #26

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You don't understand ? I don't know, maybe a decade of not listening to its actual user instead of pouring ton of work for fantasied ones ? Responsive design and Tablet were the rage and going to replace every other computer. Fast-forward, has was predictable, it did not. Gnome needs to go back to the drawing board and revise assumptions made 10 years ago. And, no, keyboard shortcut do not compensate bad design. If G…

Maybe, since Gnome is a Free software, the Gnome developers team does not owe anything to anyone ? I really like Gnome choices, but if I change my mind on a future update, who am I to rant against a project that works "for free"? Some years ago, I was myself a "really opinionated user" and well ... Linux doesn't lack of mature opinionated DE : you can do barely anything you want with XFCE, MATE and KDE. Also, I reall…

They were not "betting for better touchpad" but for tablet. I remember clearly arguments being made about GNOME 3 being targeted at tablet at the time when I was on the mailing-lists.

Re: Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Post by ldng »

kubav wrote: post #37
ldng wrote: post #26

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You don't understand ? I don't know, maybe a decade of not listening to its actual user instead of pouring ton of work for fantasied ones ? Responsive design and Tablet were the rage and going to replace every other computer. Fast-forward, has was predictable, it did not. Gnome needs to go back to the drawing board and revise assumptions made 10 years ago. And, no, keyboard shortcut do not compensate bad design. If G…

I use gnome on desktop and I liked it. Keyboard shortcuts are the most important way to control desktop for me, I do not care if it is hard to control using mouse. I do not need hierarchic program menu, start button and lots of configuration dialogs. It is true that some defaults are annoying and lots of configuration options are missing in GUI programs but it is still possible to configure basically everything using…

Then the UI is relevant to you. That does not make it any better.

Re: Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Post by ac29 »

inDigiNeous wrote: post #12

Basic stuff like minimizing a window does not work (with Firefox). Great job Gnome 40 team. I wonder truly also, why does anyone develop Gnome and why does Gnome get picked to be the default environment for Ubuntu still. I wish Linux -developers would see the way of unifying their powers finally, but no, desktop year of Linux 2025 still probably means not having basic UI stuff figured out, while macOS and Windows tro…

> Basic stuff like minimizing a window does not work (with Firefox)

Works fine for me on GNOME 40. Couldnt say why it didnt work for the blog author.

Re: Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Post by admax88q »

pmlnr wrote: post #19
admax88q wrote: post #3

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I don't get why classic desktop people feel the need to continually complain the GNOME does not implement the classic desktop paradigm. We get it, you want the classic desktop paradigm. Nothing wrong with that, but that ship has sailed years ago with regards to GNOME. And why shouldn't people implementing GNOME for free have fun and experiment. Nobody wants to implement windows 95 for fun.

> Nobody wants to implement windows 95 for fun. That might be the tragedy of IT: unlike, say, traditional japanese joinery, traditional computing is not (yet?) a thing, and it really should be.

Of course anyone here is welcome to dedicate their life to crafting the perfect windows 9x style desktop experience. I would wager that there's actually less interest in such an experience than GNOME complaints would have us believe.

Re: Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Post by unionpivo »

pjmlp wrote: post #63
unionpivo wrote: post #59

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Not sure if it's really minority. Have been using desktop Linux for almost 2 decades, My last 2 workplaces have been Linux desktop centric. Helped deploy quite a few Linux workstations. I don't know many people that use Gnome. Most use either KDE or some tiling WM (or some custom fork of Gnome2/3 that looks nothing like default gnome). When Ubuntu dropped unity, some people went to gnome, some stayed but at least in…

Red-Hat Linux Enterprise, CentOS and Ubuntu, with default window manager, is what I usually find on the customers I deal with. On the cloud deployments it doesn't matter as they are accessible via ssh and cloud shells, and X Windows servers can be mapped to single windows.

Sure If you are talking average user.

Most of the people that I know that use Linux desktop are developers, and they generally don't use Gnome.

On servers sure its RedHat or CentOs or Ubuntu/Debian

But desktops are Ubuntu variants, then Fedora. Don't know anyone that uses RH or CenOS desktops.

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