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Facebook gives money to America’s biggest news organizations

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Re: Facebook gives money to America’s biggest news organizations

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Tech blogs are regularly bribed for good coverage, and tech companies are known for doing it. Nobody bloody cares about integrity of journalism. The Verge has historically been very favorable to Apple and Google. Why? They get exclusive interviews with Google and Apple executives. An interview with Sundar Pichai is worth millions in ad revenue, and if a blog is too critical of a company, they won't get interviews. Of…

Anybody know of a good news source that doesn’t fall into this trap? I hear the economist is pretty good.

Move to purely user funded media.

One of my favorite yet least controversial is: https://congressionaldish.com/

But it's not hard to find user funded media for all manner of topics.

Edit: Also https://reader.substack.com/inbox

Re: Facebook gives money to America’s biggest news organizations

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> Nobody bloody cares about integrity of journalism. There's a gigantic difference between tech blogs and the NYT or WaPo. Nobody expects tech blogs to exercise journalistic independence/integrity. People do with the NYT and WaPo, and loudly cancel their subscriptions when the believe that's violated.

Tech blogs are about as independent as news sources get, so no, they are very much expected to act that way.

They’re also very small and therefore more easily bribed or crushed, whichever tactic is needed to get them in line

Re: Facebook gives money to America’s biggest news organizations

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Let us be real, folks: - You are reading this comment. - You are likely highly or fairly paid. - You don’t pay for your news (to a partisan substack doesn’t count) Edit: Added likely to comment. Icing on the cake is if you consume almost all your news through Twitter / social media. Maybe stop clicking and reacting and instead stop and reflect your role in all this? Cold hard truth? We caused this problem, Facebook i…

First of all, I'm not sure what's your point. But... Why wouldn't a "partisan" substack count? What if I spend around 30 seconds a day on Google News, just to see what the different propaganda machines try to push for today, so it's not something I would like to pay for, but I value and trust some "Substack" journalists and opinion people.

See my other comment.

In most cases, you are probably not paying for the reporting of “new” news and instead paying for a filter of existing news.

Substack is super great. Just paying for it is not the same as paying for a NYTimes subscription however people would like to spin it.

Re: Facebook gives money to America’s biggest news organizations

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Let us be real, folks: - You are reading this comment. - You are likely highly or fairly paid. - You don’t pay for your news (to a partisan substack doesn’t count) Edit: Added likely to comment. Icing on the cake is if you consume almost all your news through Twitter / social media. Maybe stop clicking and reacting and instead stop and reflect your role in all this? Cold hard truth? We caused this problem, Facebook i…

What are some examples of non-partisan news outlets to support?

Re: Facebook gives money to America’s biggest news organizations

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> ... cornering of the digital advertising market by the duopoly of Facebook and Google. Facebook’s threat to a free press ...

Press beholden to the interests of the advertisers is also not free. Granted, it is much less tightly controlled than when a few giant corporation funnel in most ad money, but still.

> The social media company is financially asphyxiating the news industry even as it gives oxygen to conspiracy theories and lies.

Well, the traditional press has also promoted conspiracy theory and lies: Most prominent in the last two decades, and in NYT specifically, have been Iraq's supposed Weapons of Mass Destruction and Trump's supposed collusion with Russia. The difference is that, on Facebook, there is less control of which lies and conspiracy theories get promoted and which get suppressed. It seems the author of that column takes issue with this.

Having said that - I do agree with the thesis of Facebook (and perhaps Google?) being a significant source of revenue for a media outlet meaning it has a measure of control over that outlet. Unfortunately, in Capitalism (especially less-regulated Capitalism) this tends to happen all over.

> these agreements undermine industry-wide efforts that would help the smaller, ethnic, and local news organizations that are most desperately in need of help.

Huh? The economy in general and mass media in particular have been driving smaller and local news outlets out of business for decades before Facebook was popular.

Ben Bagdikian famously wrote about the dangerous concentration of (news) media already in 1983, see coverage here:

https://www.csmonitor.com/1983/0810/081003.html

Or check out the book on the Internet Archive:

https://archive.org/details/mediamonopoly00bagd

Re: Facebook gives money to America’s biggest news organizations

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Let us be real, folks: - You are reading this comment. - You are likely highly or fairly paid. - You don’t pay for your news (to a partisan substack doesn’t count) Edit: Added likely to comment. Icing on the cake is if you consume almost all your news through Twitter / social media. Maybe stop clicking and reacting and instead stop and reflect your role in all this? Cold hard truth? We caused this problem, Facebook i…

Respectfully, not everyone here is American.

Canadaian and UK citizens reading this forum are actively paying for the CBC and BBC, respectively.

Re: Facebook gives money to America’s biggest news organizations

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Tech blogs are about as independent as news sources get, so no, they are very much expected to act that way.

They’re also very small and therefore more easily bribed or crushed, whichever tactic is needed to get them in line

The fact they’re small means they’re more easily abandoned, though.

Re: Facebook gives money to America’s biggest news organizations

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> There’s no evidence that the deal directly affects coverage in either the news or editorial departments. Before the Facebook News deal, the Times famously published an op-ed titled “It’s Time to Break Up Facebook,” by Chris Hughes, a cofounder of Facebook turned critic. And since the deal, columns from Tim Wu and Kara Swisher, among others, have been similarly critical. In December, the editorial board welcomed a l…

I think we shouldn't be naïve about how money works to influence actions. Proving the quid pro quo is hard, but just the knowledge that the money is there and can go away at the whim of a private actor will having a chilling effect on the sort of content you report on. Journalistic entities have an incentive to project an image of an unbiased, principles institution untouched by the private business world, but as som…

No idea why you are being downvoted but this is quite well known and acknowledged.

https://money.cnn.com/2018/08/27/media/bloomberg-news-wells-...

Re: Facebook gives money to America’s biggest news organizations

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Isn’t Apple News+ the Spotify of newspapers? If you don’t want the social aspect of news, you can get the AP stories through the AP News app or subscribe to rss feeds to major papers. The AP keeps papers from covering the same story from their own angle, you’ll usually see the same AP stories printed in papers across the country. I agree it’s hard to filter the news on your own and quality journalism does seem to be…

> Isn’t Apple News+ the Spotify of newspapers? I'm not on an Apple platform and don't even know what this is. I suppose it works for Apple subscribers?

I own a Macbook and found out about this just now. It's not a heavily advertised service like Spotify. Most people don't know it exists.
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