Debian votes to make no statement regarding RMS readmission to the FSF board

Post by solosoyokaze » Mon, Apr 19, 2021, 1:32 PM UTC

McScroogy wrote: post #36

Pfhreak wrote: post #6

If you look at the results they link, the picture becomes clearer. They proposed 8 options. 2 directly called for resignations at FSF, 2 directly supported RMS, one said to stop working with FSF, one said to call for governance improvements at FSF, one was no comment, and one was discuss further. The two options in support of RMS were not majority held opinions, and were held by ~1/6-1/3 of voters. No comment beat "c…

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Post by solosoyokaze » Mon, Apr 19, 2021, 1:36 PM UTC

fsf4lyfe wrote: post #78

zajio1am wrote: post #61

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> I fail to see how any of this is intolerant, or transphobic. Yes. RMS argued for gender-neutral pronouns since more than twenty years ago. Just because it is a different set of neutral pronouns than is popular today, some people mark him transphobic. That is absurd.

Indeed, and it's no surprise that this attempted cancellation of RMS is being pushed by the pronoun enthusiast crowd. These tend to be the type of people who simply can't stand any dissenting opinions to their dogma. Unfortunately, the more tolerant attitude of just agreeing to disagree seems to have gone out of fashion. Now the preferred option is to destroy a person's entire career and slander their reputation with…

Post by fighterpilot » Mon, Apr 19, 2021, 3:05 PM UTC

solosoyokaze wrote: post #101

fighterpilot wrote: post #42

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It's a politically controversial topic, and preference falsification is a well-documented sociological phenomenon in such circumstances. If you want to know what people really think without the possibile influence of preference falsification, it needs to be an anonymous poll.

How is it political? What politics are even involved? This very much is a personal issue with Stallman. His objectionable behavior isn’t tied to political beliefs, it’s tied to an individual’s moral and social failings.

Post by zamalek » Mon, Apr 19, 2021, 3:28 PM UTC

gerhardhaering wrote: post #45

zamalek wrote: post #15

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He continues to do intolerant stuff: https://rms-open-letter.github.io/appendix

I fail to see how any of this is intolerant, or transphobic. You might not like these opinions. Or disagree that there is good reasoning behind some of this. This does not make the one you are disagreeing with intolerant.

Post by account42 » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 8:27 AM UTC

krastanov wrote: post #64

fsf4lyfe wrote: post #51

Good. RMS did nothing wrong really, and is the victim of a pile-on by people who can't tolerate others' opinions. I'm glad to see that Debian isn't caving to the ignorant masses here. The FSF under RMS's leadership has done more for computing freedom than any other organization. So what if RMS is outspoken about his beliefs? That's exactly the forthright attitude that enabled him to succeed in promoting the GPL so wi…

It is not enough to be "right" to promote a good idea. You need to be a charismatic leader to succeed at FSF's mission. Independently of whether RMS is an intolerant creep or a misunderstood visionary, I do not think it should be difficult to see that he would not be an efficient evangelist for FSF today.