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Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Re: Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Post by beojan »

walrus01 wrote: post #10
grawprog wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why you're throwing KDE into this. I've been using it for almost a decade now. It's stayed fairly consistent, offers the familiar desktop, panel and launcher style interface, is fully customizable in just about every way. Doesn't hide anything from you, doesn't make things obtuse or opaque. Never tried to force some mobile interface on you. It's pretty much the opposite of GNOME in every way.

Did you see or use KDE4 when it was new? KDE4 was a radical departure from the earlier design, which looked like a mimicry of Windows Vista for "reasons".

Compared to Gnome 3/40 or Windows 8 or even Windows 10, Windows Vista was positively sensible. Its problem was hardware requirements that were hard to meet at the time.

By 4.10 or so KDE 4 had matured to KDE 3 level and this hasn't changed with Plasma 5.

Re: Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Post by inDigiNeous »

Basic stuff like minimizing a window does not work (with Firefox). Great job Gnome 40 team. I wonder truly also, why does anyone develop Gnome and why does Gnome get picked to be the default environment for Ubuntu still.

I wish Linux -developers would see the way of unifying their powers finally, but no, desktop year of Linux 2025 still probably means not having basic UI stuff figured out, while macOS and Windows troddle on to have at least a working and figured out base environment which to build actual features upon.

Also, the naming .. Gnome, Gimp. Who likes to use software with these names ? :P

Re: Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Post by grawprog »

walrus01 wrote: post #10
grawprog wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why you're throwing KDE into this. I've been using it for almost a decade now. It's stayed fairly consistent, offers the familiar desktop, panel and launcher style interface, is fully customizable in just about every way. Doesn't hide anything from you, doesn't make things obtuse or opaque. Never tried to force some mobile interface on you. It's pretty much the opposite of GNOME in every way.

Did you see or use KDE4 when it was new? KDE4 was a radical departure from the earlier design, which looked like a mimicry of Windows Vista for "reasons".

Yeah i did. That 'look' makes not much of a difference when you can customize every single aspect of the desktop environment. My desktop looks and functions identically now to the way it looked and functioned in KDE3 and KDE4, apart from some small improvements and changes I've made over the years.

The problem with newer versions of GNOME is, you get what they give you and you better like it cause that's all she wrote.

Re: Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Post by squarefoot »

Please stop putting action/choice buttons (Ok, Cancel, Yes, No, etc.) on windows title bars! There has been a reason why they were placed at the bottom: I grab a window by its title bar and if needed I can arrange it through the closest controls over there that should be only the buttons to act on the window itself and not the contents, then I read the contents and while doing so my focus moves towards the window lower side, so that when I'm done I can take a choice through the closest controls I can find there which are the ones acting on the content of the window.

You think title bars waste too much space? Well sometimes I do too, but placing controls on them is a solution that creates new problems; just make them thinner, but please stop breaking decades of functional UI design with this nonsense.

Re: Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Post by herbst »

walrus01 wrote: post #2

I don't get why "Linux on desktop" people feel the need to continually reinvent the concept of what a desktop GUI is, just to be novel or different. This goes back to things like KDE3/KDE4 and Canonical's Unity. What is wrong with a more traditionally designed desktop metaphor such as how it's implemented in XFCE4 or LXDE? As a baseline for comparison I've used very nearly every linux or BSD based GUI desktop (on top…

Personally i am done with the win95 approach of desktop. What i want is a desktop that does not get into my way but is able to present me with whatever i want a few keystrokes away. Gnome 3 did a really great job in that.

Re: Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Post by herbst »

walrus01 wrote: post #4
admax88q wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get why classic desktop people feel the need to continually complain the GNOME does not implement the classic desktop paradigm. We get it, you want the classic desktop paradigm. Nothing wrong with that, but that ship has sailed years ago with regards to GNOME. And why shouldn't people implementing GNOME for free have fun and experiment. Nobody wants to implement windows 95 for fun.

I'm not even so much complaining about GNOME, which these days has actually reverted to something much closer to a classical desktop metaphor that is equally suitable for technical users and noobs... But every other group of people with a new GUI idea that thinks "Nope, we're gonna reinvent the wheel and make a new weird GUI just because". Linux on desktop is already what, 1% to a max of 2% of desktop market share wo…

My mum, sister and dad represent my noob test group. All of them had no issues when i converted them to gnome 3. In my opinion it actually is a more user friendly desktop and it worked for them. Only my dad is used to windows at all, so the other two dont weight every desktop against win95

Re: Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Post by diragon »

walrus01 wrote: post #2

I don't get why "Linux on desktop" people feel the need to continually reinvent the concept of what a desktop GUI is, just to be novel or different. This goes back to things like KDE3/KDE4 and Canonical's Unity. What is wrong with a more traditionally designed desktop metaphor such as how it's implemented in XFCE4 or LXDE? As a baseline for comparison I've used very nearly every linux or BSD based GUI desktop (on top…

i3 has been quite stable for several years and doesn't seem to be changing. Perhaps the problem is that you're trying to follow the latest UX fads instead of staying with something stable, not to mention clearly superior.

But of course, Gnome is the default in many Linuxes so I understand how easy it is to just flow with it.

Re: Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Post by pmlnr »

admax88q wrote: post #3
walrus01 wrote: post #2

I don't get why "Linux on desktop" people feel the need to continually reinvent the concept of what a desktop GUI is, just to be novel or different. This goes back to things like KDE3/KDE4 and Canonical's Unity. What is wrong with a more traditionally designed desktop metaphor such as how it's implemented in XFCE4 or LXDE? As a baseline for comparison I've used very nearly every linux or BSD based GUI desktop (on top…

I don't get why classic desktop people feel the need to continually complain the GNOME does not implement the classic desktop paradigm. We get it, you want the classic desktop paradigm. Nothing wrong with that, but that ship has sailed years ago with regards to GNOME. And why shouldn't people implementing GNOME for free have fun and experiment. Nobody wants to implement windows 95 for fun.

> Nobody wants to implement windows 95 for fun.

That might be the tragedy of IT: unlike, say, traditional japanese joinery, traditional computing is not (yet?) a thing, and it really should be.

Re: Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Post by kaba0 »

squarefoot wrote: post #14

Please stop putting action/choice buttons (Ok, Cancel, Yes, No, etc.) on windows title bars! There has been a reason why they were placed at the bottom: I grab a window by its title bar and if needed I can arrange it through the closest controls over there that should be only the buttons to act on the window itself and not the contents, then I read the contents and while doing so my focus moves towards the window low…

Just a note that you can press Super, and drag a window from anywhere.
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