Is it only me, or are half of the companies interested in a similar model.
Media streaming, online shopping, banking, or social media are all very interested in your real identity and a strict controlling their interaction with you.
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
The CCP can force Chinese to use this, but why would anyone else use it? I can’t see the USA or EU changing architectures unless our governments mandate it, and I see no moves in that direction. We are barely able to get people to implement IPv6 after 20 years of kicking people in the ass to do it, so it will not happen organically.
Money. Australia is heavily influenced by Chinese policy, look at their stance on privacy / encryption / etc. Eventually this will percolate to the rest of the world. It will take decades but I’m sure it will happen. Younger generations are already pro censorship. Chinas influence is strong enough to cause the AU PM to say stupid things: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170714/10385237789/aussi...
>Chinas influence is strong enough to cause the AU PM to say stupid things:
The PM is basically mirroring the position of the Five Eyes alliance of which Australia has been a member for longer than Communist China has existed.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
The CCP can force Chinese to use this, but why would anyone else use it? I can’t see the USA or EU changing architectures unless our governments mandate it, and I see no moves in that direction. We are barely able to get people to implement IPv6 after 20 years of kicking people in the ass to do it, so it will not happen organically.
What happens when trillion-dollar American luxury device manufacturers are no longer able to contact their manufacturers in China?
Have a translation layer in between? That's basically the situation right now, with GFW sitting in between the chinese internet and the rest-of-the-world internet.
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#75Well, hopefully initiatives based on satellite Internet and P2P networks will help avoid these kind of "initiatives".
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Money. Australia is heavily influenced by Chinese policy, look at their stance on privacy / encryption / etc. Eventually this will percolate to the rest of the world. It will take decades but I’m sure it will happen. Younger generations are already pro censorship. Chinas influence is strong enough to cause the AU PM to say stupid things: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170714/10385237789/aussi...
The next big destination many people have with respect to internet penetration is Africa. And CCP is ahead of west in capturing African market by working best with dictators and being competitive. For example they sold their telecom towers very cheap, and they work best with only chinese phones. With this cycle, china owns major share of African mobile business in just a few years. It would be easier to to get their…
>"And CCP is ahead of west in capturing African market by working best with dictators and being competitive"
I guess the West should improve their track record on "working best with dictators".
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#78I can see anti-free speech and harm prevention people favoring this model. I know a few of those people on this board, what are your thoughts?
> anti-free speech and harm prevention people
But you repeat yourself
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#79Does anyone have a link to the actual details of the proposal? For a tech focused forum like HN, I would expect to see the actual technical detail rather than just political commentary.
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#80New IP is an attempt to redesign IP into a top-down governance model. It is not a new "internet protocol." It is a "new internet" protocol where central authority is part of the design. I am morally opposed.
The CCP can force Chinese to use this, but why would anyone else use it? I can’t see the USA or EU changing architectures unless our governments mandate it, and I see no moves in that direction. We are barely able to get people to implement IPv6 after 20 years of kicking people in the ass to do it, so it will not happen organically.
Everything you buy is from China. If China says it's the new standard, your iPhone or Android or Dell or HP or Playstation or Smart TV will support it.