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China’s Dystopian “New IP” Plan for a New Internet

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Re: China’s Dystopian “New IP” Plan for a New Internet

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Post by ilaksh »

indymike wrote: post #48
virmundi wrote: post #4

I am some what confused by this being called dystopian. As more and more Westerners call for people being canceled due to a small but vocal minority on Twitter and other platforms, wouldn't this design play right into that? Rather than wasting time defending Twitter, the reasonable social justice warrior would simply petition the sympathetic State functionary to flip the bad-person's Internet connectivity. For exampl…

> We need to use this plan to limit the 1st US amendment, and the equivalent EU laws. Otherwise wrong-think will prevail. Nothing good happens when government tries to regulate thought. Nothing good comes of the government pointing a gun at citizen's head that can be fired without due process.

Just to check, did you not realize that the comment you are replying to is satire?

Re: China’s Dystopian “New IP” Plan for a New Internet

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Post by FpUser »

dkdk8283 wrote: post #35
api wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CCP can force Chinese to use this, but why would anyone else use it? I can’t see the USA or EU changing architectures unless our governments mandate it, and I see no moves in that direction. We are barely able to get people to implement IPv6 after 20 years of kicking people in the ass to do it, so it will not happen organically.

Money. Australia is heavily influenced by Chinese policy, look at their stance on privacy / encryption / etc. Eventually this will percolate to the rest of the world. It will take decades but I’m sure it will happen. Younger generations are already pro censorship. Chinas influence is strong enough to cause the AU PM to say stupid things: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170714/10385237789/aussi...

That statement of AU PM is definitely worthy of retard. But why do you think it is caused by Chinese influence? From what I understand being able to have "master key" is a wet dream of every government without exception even if said government wants to have nothing to do with China.

Re: China’s Dystopian “New IP” Plan for a New Internet

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Post by dheera »

jowsie wrote: post #12
1cvmask wrote: post #2

This is a hilarious scaremongering article written for those who are clueless. No surprise as it turns out it is from the comically named neocon outfit Foundation for the Defense of Democracies which is the most bellicose warmongering think tank in DC. They never met a poor third world country that they didn’t want bombed. As for 6G the reason we have no leadership is that Lucent was run into the ground by a mindset…

> We forced the world after 9/11 to block anonymous Internet. You cannot get Internet anywhere without ID. You used to be able to get prepaid SIM cards in most countries till we put pressure on them. In the UK at least a pre paid sim is 99p if you buy it from a shop, you can pay with cash and there's no registration procedure. I doubt we're the only country in the world that works like this.

> You cannot get Internet anywhere without ID.

Most free public Wi-Fi in the US (libraries, universities, airports, malls, hospitals) don't require ID to use, and usually only require accepting a ToS.

Re: China’s Dystopian “New IP” Plan for a New Internet

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Post by causality0 »

gaudat wrote: post #29

I wonder is it possible to isolate a whole country from the rest of the Internet? There are so many services in China that are almost exclusive to people with a Chinese phone number and a WeChat / Alipay account. That sealing the rest of the Internet does not affect Chinese residents using those services.

What I wonder is if that would be a good thing, at least from a selfish standpoint. Wechat is gaining traction in Western markets.

Re: China’s Dystopian “New IP” Plan for a New Internet

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Post by chenzhekl »

The whole article is about the political impact of the proposal, but did not discuss the technical details. What the hell is the New IP? How is topdown governance achieved under this new protocol? That is what I want to know. Not sentences like CCP is evil.

Re: China’s Dystopian “New IP” Plan for a New Internet

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Post by throwaway3699 »

varispeed wrote: post #42

It's becoming clear that their values are completely different from the west. Unfortunately the problem is that consumers here love low prices, but they also love employment rights, social security, free healthcare and other signs of an advanced civilisation - which costs money. The hypocrisy of the society is that they don't care if the product they buy was made in a country that don't respect human rights and was p…

> The hypocrisy of the society is that they don't care if the product they buy was made in a country that don't respect human rights and was probably made by forced labour or children. As long as they don't see the exploitation, then it does not bother them.

I care, but the situation is much like conflict minerals. China is going to be relevant in the supply chain of almost any technological product, or at the very least, the tools that went into making it.

Personally I would pay double for products to avoid China, but I do not believe most people can even afford that trade-off if it was practical (and didn't require heaps of upfront research when buying everything from washing machines to batteries).

Re: China’s Dystopian “New IP” Plan for a New Internet

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Post by indymike »

ilaksh wrote: post #51
indymike wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We need to use this plan to limit the 1st US amendment, and the equivalent EU laws. Otherwise wrong-think will prevail. Nothing good happens when government tries to regulate thought. Nothing good comes of the government pointing a gun at citizen's head that can be fired without due process.

Just to check, did you not realize that the comment you are replying to is satire?

Yes.

Re: China’s Dystopian “New IP” Plan for a New Internet

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Post by billytetrud »

varispeed wrote: post #42

It's becoming clear that their values are completely different from the west. Unfortunately the problem is that consumers here love low prices, but they also love employment rights, social security, free healthcare and other signs of an advanced civilisation - which costs money. The hypocrisy of the society is that they don't care if the product they buy was made in a country that don't respect human rights and was p…

I think looking at the "new IP" proposal and concluding that "the Chinese have really different values then the west" is myopic. The chinese government is authoritarian and has a clear agenda. Assuming it reflects the values of the people is stupid. The chinese people may be goaded into nationalism and tricked (via propaganda) or pressured into supporting the government, but I think it's not correct to conclude from the government's actions anything about the people's values
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