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China’s Dystopian “New IP” Plan for a New Internet

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Re: China’s Dystopian “New IP” Plan for a New Internet

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Post by the_only_law »

virmundi wrote: post #4

I am some what confused by this being called dystopian. As more and more Westerners call for people being canceled due to a small but vocal minority on Twitter and other platforms, wouldn't this design play right into that? Rather than wasting time defending Twitter, the reasonable social justice warrior would simply petition the sympathetic State functionary to flip the bad-person's Internet connectivity. For exampl…

The few people I know who actively identify as neoliberals are probably screaming right now as the word seemingly means less than it already did.

Re: China’s Dystopian “New IP” Plan for a New Internet

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Post by jowsie »

1cvmask wrote: post #2

This is a hilarious scaremongering article written for those who are clueless. No surprise as it turns out it is from the comically named neocon outfit Foundation for the Defense of Democracies which is the most bellicose warmongering think tank in DC. They never met a poor third world country that they didn’t want bombed. As for 6G the reason we have no leadership is that Lucent was run into the ground by a mindset…

> We forced the world after 9/11 to block anonymous Internet. You cannot get Internet anywhere without ID. You used to be able to get prepaid SIM cards in most countries till we put pressure on them.

In the UK at least a pre paid sim is 99p if you buy it from a shop, you can pay with cash and there's no registration procedure. I doubt we're the only country in the world that works like this.

Re: China’s Dystopian “New IP” Plan for a New Internet

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Post by virmundi »

alexvoda wrote: post #9
virmundi wrote: post #4

I am some what confused by this being called dystopian. As more and more Westerners call for people being canceled due to a small but vocal minority on Twitter and other platforms, wouldn't this design play right into that? Rather than wasting time defending Twitter, the reasonable social justice warrior would simply petition the sympathetic State functionary to flip the bad-person's Internet connectivity. For exampl…

Here is the "/s" you missed.

Honestly, it's a little of both. There are loud groups of people online that will be fine with this kind of logic. In fact there is a good number of those individuals right here on HN. Essentially I outlined what their talking points will be.

At the same time, I'm tired of arguing for rights. I'm partially willing to let people burn the system to the ground to prove how right they are with removing rights from those they think to be undesirable.

I assume this comment chain, at least mine, will be hidden by dang by the end of the weekend.

Re: China’s Dystopian “New IP” Plan for a New Internet

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Post by User23 »

moistbar wrote: post #8
virmundi wrote: post #4

I am some what confused by this being called dystopian. As more and more Westerners call for people being canceled due to a small but vocal minority on Twitter and other platforms, wouldn't this design play right into that? Rather than wasting time defending Twitter, the reasonable social justice warrior would simply petition the sympathetic State functionary to flip the bad-person's Internet connectivity. For exampl…

I'm having the hardest time discerning whether or not this is sarcasm.

My ability to detect sarcasm was irreparably mutilated on EFNet IRC in the '90s. For me, posts like that one exist in a superposition of sarcasm and non-sarcasm until something forces a collapse.

Re: China’s Dystopian “New IP” Plan for a New Internet

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Post by ur-whale »

jowsie wrote: post #12
1cvmask wrote: post #2

This is a hilarious scaremongering article written for those who are clueless. No surprise as it turns out it is from the comically named neocon outfit Foundation for the Defense of Democracies which is the most bellicose warmongering think tank in DC. They never met a poor third world country that they didn’t want bombed. As for 6G the reason we have no leadership is that Lucent was run into the ground by a mindset…

> We forced the world after 9/11 to block anonymous Internet. You cannot get Internet anywhere without ID. You used to be able to get prepaid SIM cards in most countries till we put pressure on them. In the UK at least a pre paid sim is 99p if you buy it from a shop, you can pay with cash and there's no registration procedure. I doubt we're the only country in the world that works like this.

In the US, buying an anonymous SIM is as easy.

Go to any bestbuy, the "registration" procedure is a joke: you can basically tell them your name is Rosie O'Donnell and live on the moon.

Re: China’s Dystopian “New IP” Plan for a New Internet

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Post by [deleted] »

jowsie wrote: post #12
1cvmask wrote: post #2

This is a hilarious scaremongering article written for those who are clueless. No surprise as it turns out it is from the comically named neocon outfit Foundation for the Defense of Democracies which is the most bellicose warmongering think tank in DC. They never met a poor third world country that they didn’t want bombed. As for 6G the reason we have no leadership is that Lucent was run into the ground by a mindset…

> We forced the world after 9/11 to block anonymous Internet. You cannot get Internet anywhere without ID. You used to be able to get prepaid SIM cards in most countries till we put pressure on them. In the UK at least a pre paid sim is 99p if you buy it from a shop, you can pay with cash and there's no registration procedure. I doubt we're the only country in the world that works like this.

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Re: China’s Dystopian “New IP” Plan for a New Internet

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Post by ur-whale »

1cvmask wrote: post #2

This is a hilarious scaremongering article written for those who are clueless. No surprise as it turns out it is from the comically named neocon outfit Foundation for the Defense of Democracies which is the most bellicose warmongering think tank in DC. They never met a poor third world country that they didn’t want bombed. As for 6G the reason we have no leadership is that Lucent was run into the ground by a mindset…

> This is a hilarious scaremongering article

You're not addressing any of the dystopian points.

China is a tyranny that treats its people like cattle, and when they present a tool that would give them absolute control over their population, all you can do is attack the technical aspects?

Re: China’s Dystopian “New IP” Plan for a New Internet

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Post by NoImmatureAdHom »

ur-whale wrote: post #15
jowsie wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We forced the world after 9/11 to block anonymous Internet. You cannot get Internet anywhere without ID. You used to be able to get prepaid SIM cards in most countries till we put pressure on them. In the UK at least a pre paid sim is 99p if you buy it from a shop, you can pay with cash and there's no registration procedure. I doubt we're the only country in the world that works like this.

In the US, buying an anonymous SIM is as easy. Go to any bestbuy, the "registration" procedure is a joke: you can basically tell them your name is Rosie O'Donnell and live on the moon.

You don't need to register at all for most prepaid SIMs in the U.S.

Re: China’s Dystopian “New IP” Plan for a New Internet

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Post by RealStickman_ »

dicomdan wrote: post #6
1cvmask wrote: post #2

This is a hilarious scaremongering article written for those who are clueless. No surprise as it turns out it is from the comically named neocon outfit Foundation for the Defense of Democracies which is the most bellicose warmongering think tank in DC. They never met a poor third world country that they didn’t want bombed. As for 6G the reason we have no leadership is that Lucent was run into the ground by a mindset…

They are proposing New IP system that requires people to register with their real ID in order to use the internet anywhere, not just in China. That’s pretty dystopian in my book.

You have to verify your ID or drivers license to get a SIM in Switzerland
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