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Re: Thanks for the Bonus, I Quit

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post #2

This is really making me want to buy an Alpha on ebay. Is there an OS that has ever had a better name than "Digital Unix"?

I bought a low end Alpha (DS10L) off of ebay about 2 years ago. I turn it on to play around with VMS occasionally. Alphas (and DEC, in general) were amazing.

Re: Thanks for the Bonus, I Quit

#62

I actually think bonuses and equity grants are terrible for comapany morale. I've seen it many times, and heard many more stories. On top of the issue in this story, there are others too. For example, if someone wants to leave, but the bonus or vesting is coming up, they will stay, and you don't want people on a project who don't want to be there. As another example I know people who work at companies that are going…

> I actually think bonuses and equity grants are terrible for comapany morale.

Not just morale, even when things go well it can be a disaster. My wife's company just paid out a massive bonus and 5 people, nearly all of the people in this one small department, quit.

Re: Thanks for the Bonus, I Quit

#63
post #17

When I worked at eBay, we had a bonus program based on company revenue. It was around 6% of your salary max and managers got around 25% max based on the same formula. For the first few years, you could count on getting a max bonus every quarter. To the point where most everyone who worked there had always gotten one. And the one quarter, we didn't get the max bonus. In fact, I don't think we got it all. People scream…

Yes. I had a high school teacher [underpaid] that gave us donuts in the morning. One day that didn't happen. Anarchy. Screaming, yelling, crying, breakfasts ruined. WHAT WILL WE EAT? This teacher was now an evil villain. The teacher learned: never give out free donuts again.

I visited China in 2000 and remember one night in Beijing I very poor sad little came up to me asking for help for food and I handed her 5 dollars. As I recall at the time the little ones always were asking for “one dollar” so i felt it very nice to give 5... after an hour or so eating in the restaurant when I came out a literal sea of children were gathered all around me begging for the same gift... I had given the little girl the only cash on me at the time so when a little boy very angry dropped the f bomb at me multiple times for not giving him the same - I stopped and asked, “do you know what you just said?”... he was thankfully much smaller then me but definitely didn’t seem to phased fortunately he gave up after a few blocks of walking... I’ll never forget this... both sad how desperate they were but also the effect of being generous... as they say you can’t win

Re: Thanks for the Bonus, I Quit

#64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. I had a high school teacher [underpaid] that gave us donuts in the morning. One day that didn't happen. Anarchy. Screaming, yelling, crying, breakfasts ruined. WHAT WILL WE EAT? This teacher was now an evil villain. The teacher learned: never give out free donuts again.

20+ donuts, for how long? If daily and at $1/nut, that comes out to $100 per week. Was it just on some occasions or every morning?

That is a grossly over-exaggerated price for donuts imo.

Re: Thanks for the Bonus, I Quit

#65
post #17

When I worked at eBay, we had a bonus program based on company revenue. It was around 6% of your salary max and managers got around 25% max based on the same formula. For the first few years, you could count on getting a max bonus every quarter. To the point where most everyone who worked there had always gotten one. And the one quarter, we didn't get the max bonus. In fact, I don't think we got it all. People scream…

If i recall the same happened when google replaced their holiday gift phone with donation to some charities they picked.

Wait what? Who gets the tax break there?

Re: Thanks for the Bonus, I Quit

#66
If you are incentivized by bonuses your probably not being paid enough.

Even worse when you depend on others to meet a goal (you almost always do).

Jump ship if you can. The other scam is healthcare tied to employment.

Re: Thanks for the Bonus, I Quit

#67

I actually think bonuses and equity grants are terrible for comapany morale. I've seen it many times, and heard many more stories. On top of the issue in this story, there are others too. For example, if someone wants to leave, but the bonus or vesting is coming up, they will stay, and you don't want people on a project who don't want to be there. As another example I know people who work at companies that are going…

Incentives happen because they are empirically effective. I would contend that the issue is less the content of the incentives but rather the perception of fairness. If everyone is aware how the bonuses work and feels their 'fair' share is obtained, then it just becomes another part of the calculus. I speculate as a non-manager that bonuses are a good way (in the federal contracting realm, from the company perspectiv…

Honestly I feel like you have a lot more faith in businesses behaving efficiently[1] than I do. I think the normal reason for a firm to do things is random chance/business school/copying competitors. See also: “algorithms” style interview questions, brain teaser style interview questions, and using complicated distributed tools like Hadoop.

[1] by efficiency, I mean settling on doing the most effective things and dropping ineffective things.

Re: Thanks for the Bonus, I Quit

#68

This reminds me of the holiday gifts at Google. By the time I joined, Google had already switched from physical gifts (e.g. a new Pixel) to allowing each employee to choose a charity to which Google.org would donate $1,000. Even years later, there was still bitterness among the employee base about the holiday gift. It was a bit mystifying to me (as I never had the expectation of a $400 electronic for a holiday gift f…

Step 1. create a charity that would "adopt" Google employees and give them Pixel phones

Step 2. choose that charity and pick yourself for an adoption

Re: Thanks for the Bonus, I Quit

#69
post #26

This is literally a plot point in Christmas Vacation. Is also why I think it is silly for startups to provide too many perks. It sets obvious precedent and will upset more folks when you stop. Find ways to invest in the company so that success is it's own perk. If the company truly has more, work that into raises where you clearly tie the income to the success of the company.

The typical startup problem like the above is a more extreme example of people mailing it in until bonuses are out: people mailing it in until the startup is acquired or goes public because the company is doing well and they lose their shares/options if they quit

Re: Thanks for the Bonus, I Quit

#70
post #17

When I worked at eBay, we had a bonus program based on company revenue. It was around 6% of your salary max and managers got around 25% max based on the same formula. For the first few years, you could count on getting a max bonus every quarter. To the point where most everyone who worked there had always gotten one. And the one quarter, we didn't get the max bonus. In fact, I don't think we got it all. People scream…

Ouch, 25% vs. 6%. That's how they value managers vs. (engineers? or everyone else?). Sad.
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