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Re: Ask HN: How can a unhireable person get a job?

#841

Post by w0de0 » Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 4:00 PM UTC

lcall wrote: post #840

I suggest for anyone, going to: https://www.latterdaysaintjobs.org/ers/ct/?lang=eng ...and learning from the site and them in person, asking them for feedback, and doing whatever they say. (There are other very good resources on various topics for life etc.) Not only diligence, but also honesty and kindness (treating others the way one would want to be treated), and observing people to learn what works and doesn't go…

Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any manner of likeness, of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;

That’s done some numbers on artists’ potentials.

Re: Ask HN: How can a unhireable person get a job?

#842

Post by lcall » Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 4:20 PM UTC

w0de0 wrote: post #841

lcall wrote: post #840

I suggest for anyone, going to: https://www.latterdaysaintjobs.org/ers/ct/?lang=eng ...and learning from the site and them in person, asking them for feedback, and doing whatever they say. (There are other very good resources on various topics for life etc.) Not only diligence, but also honesty and kindness (treating others the way one would want to be treated), and observing people to learn what works and doesn't go…

Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any manner of likeness, of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; That’s done some numbers on artists’ potentials.

Maybe, I am not the authority but maybe, it was meant specifically about worship.

Edits: Thanks for your comment.

If memory serves, they were also commanded to do at least some high-skill work (were there some figures in there?--would have to review) on the tabernacle, ark, and subsequent temple. But for people who are in a life situation with long-term high risk of and exposure/temptation to idol-worship and accompanying destructive behaviors, it seems reasonable to me, to very carefully avoid that.

Maybe what we love most defines our outcomes until we learn better. But again, I am not the authority.

Re: Ask HN: How can a unhireable person get a job?

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Post by zbentley » Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 4:23 PM UTC

Yajirobe wrote: post #830

benhurmarcel wrote: post #648

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I really dislike the suggestion that someone who didn't attend college is therefore unable to write. That's not what he said. He suggested that someone who doesn't write well probably didn't attend college.

They teach you English writing in CS/STEM programmes?

Often, STEM programs require out-of-major courses relating to written or spoken communication. Even if that isn't required, I would strongly advise all STEM students to cultivate those skills during their schooling.

Comfort and expertise reading, writing, and verbally communicating in English are some of the most important skills that distinguish excellent software engineers I have worked with and hired.

In many cases, those skills are even more important than technical/coding expertise--it's easier to teach and learn technicals when one's student is a fluent communicator, but a programming genius who routinely fails to explain their decisions or creations is a liability.

Somewhat ironically (or perhaps regrettably for the US education system), most of the engineers I have worked with or hired who were the most impressive written/spoken readers/communicators were people whose first language was not english, and many of the folks who struggled were native speakers/writers.

Edits: grammar, ironically.

Re: Ask HN: How can a unhireable person get a job?

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Post by deanak » Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 4:28 PM UTC

void_mint wrote: post #795

deanak wrote: post #699

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> This part doesn't really seem worthwhile to post. I restrict my social media time to a couple of hours a week. If you want to be successful, hustle on LinkedIn. HackerNews is a procrastination hole for people who want to talk about developing software instead of actually doing it.

This post also doesn't really seem worthwhile, but you're entitled to your opinion. LinkedIn is basically facebook. I would argue that anything Facebook-esque is a fundamental waste of time. Misinformation spewing influencer spam.

When is the last time a recruiter checked out your profile on Facebook?

Re: Ask HN: How can a unhireable person get a job?

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Post by peter_d_sherman » Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 5:45 PM UTC

>I welcome any and all advice that any of y'all could offer. Even if it's brutally candid.

You might need a job... but based on what I'm able to intuit from reading your message (and your other posts -- because I like to try to read everything from a poster to better understand them and their position before responding), if you need a job...

Then you need a MENTOR -- at least 10 times more than you need that job!

And maybe that need is more like 100 or 1,000 times greater...

In other words, your first priority in life, your absolute first priority, at this point in time, should be:

To get a good Mentor!!!

You can certainly apply to jobs too -- but your first priority should be:

To get a good Mentor!!!

Here, Tai Lopez makes the point much better than I do, in the following video:

Do You Need A Mentor? (Or Books)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viMfGNJmimU

Now, Tai is not the only source of information on this subject...

Here, try this YouTube query for a list of videos:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=power+of+mentor...

After watching some of those, the next logical question is, "How to find a Mentor?"

Well, let's again go to YouTube for some ideas!

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+find+a+m...

If I were you -- I'd spend the next 24 hours of your life listening to these videos and internalizing their ideas, and then (after the ideas have been internalized and the value of a good mentor is understood!) -- I'd spend the next couple of weeks actively searching for a good mentor, and subsequently trying to persuade them to accept you as someone to be mentored (note that this part of things may be challenging -- you may need to endure more than a few rejections... but "seek and ye shall find" as a certain old text that I forgot the name of -- so eloquently stated! )

Also, working with a great Mentor -- is infinitely better than having Health Insurance... (At least in my opinion!)

...But maybe if you play your cards right -- maybe you could get both! It would not be unheard of to find a Mentor who could offer you a job with Health Insurance, although, they would be a little bit harder to find than Mentors that don't...

I mean, Mr. Miyagi in "The Karate Kid" -- didn't offer Health Insurance to Daniel!

Yoda in "Star Wars" -- didn't offer Health Insurance to Luke Skywalker!

(But, who knows, maybe you can beat the averages, and find a Mentor who does in fact, offer Health Insurance... if Health Insurance is really that important!)

Anyway, wishing you well, and hoping for the best for you!

-Peter

Re: Ask HN: How can a unhireable person get a job?

#846

Post by fallingknife » Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 7:40 PM UTC

BeetleB wrote: post #771

fallingknife wrote: post #692

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I would also say that going to college was a bad choice, but the one I picked was one of the good ones where the name means something. Still a rip off, but a lot of people paid the same for absolutely nothing.

> but the one I picked was one of the good ones where the name means something. As someone who went both to an average university and one ranked 3rd in the country, I can tell you: The name doesn't mean much in the engineering discipline. Certainly, a CS degree from CMU will likely get you into more interviews, and they probably earn more in the long run, but the person who got his BS in CS from an average state scho…

I know it means nothing in engineering, which I think is great. But I went for finance, which is exactly the opposite.

Re: Ask HN: How can a unhireable person get a job?

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Post by void_mint » Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 7:47 PM UTC

deanak wrote: post #844

void_mint wrote: post #795

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This post also doesn't really seem worthwhile, but you're entitled to your opinion. LinkedIn is basically facebook. I would argue that anything Facebook-esque is a fundamental waste of time. Misinformation spewing influencer spam.

When is the last time a recruiter checked out your profile on Facebook?

When is the last time someone shared obvious misinformation about covid on LinkedIn? Or women and POC being harassed via DMs? Or people vomiting influencer spam?

Re: Ask HN: How can a unhireable person get a job?

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Post by pc86 » Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 8:06 PM UTC

bawolff wrote: post #810

pc86 wrote: post #749

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Quit two jobs at 18 because of "low pay" (what 18 year is well paid?). Doesn't say what happened with the Amazon job but $15/hr is about $30k/yr which is about 80-82% of the median individual - not household - income in the US. It's absolutely a "reasonable wage" for a help desk associate. It seems like they've pointed out issues to management which were fixed. That sort of thing gets noticed, in a good way if your e…

> (what 18 year is well paid?) Plenty in our industry if they have the right set of skills (including soft skills). It might be unreasonable for OP to expect more but lets not pretend that there are no very highly paid young people in the software industry.

"Plenty" in absolute numbers maybe but let's not pretend highly paid teenagers aren't an outlier. The vast majority are graduating HS or college freshman at that age and have zero or very negative income.

Re: Ask HN: How can a unhireable person get a job?

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Post by deanak » Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 8:09 PM UTC

void_mint wrote: post #847

deanak wrote: post #844

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When is the last time a recruiter checked out your profile on Facebook?

When is the last time someone shared obvious misinformation about covid on LinkedIn? Or women and POC being harassed via DMs? Or people vomiting influencer spam?

LinkedIn is the only social media site with the possibility of return on time investment, which all suffer from the problems you mention. So why pick the one that can't possibly get you paid?

Also, I'm still curious on how many recruiters have contacted you through Facebook and viewed your resume, as compared to LinkedIn.

Re: Ask HN: How can a unhireable person get a job?

#850

Post by void_mint » Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 9:01 PM UTC

deanak wrote: post #849

void_mint wrote: post #847

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When is the last time someone shared obvious misinformation about covid on LinkedIn? Or women and POC being harassed via DMs? Or people vomiting influencer spam?

LinkedIn is the only social media site with the possibility of return on time investment, which all suffer from the problems you mention. So why pick the one that can't possibly get you paid? Also, I'm still curious on how many recruiters have contacted you through Facebook and viewed your resume, as compared to LinkedIn.

> LinkedIn is the only social media site with the possibility of return on time investment, which all suffer from the problems you mention. So why pick the one that can't possibly get you paid?

Do you think influencers go on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram because they aren't getting paid? They just like it?

> Also, I'm still curious on how many recruiters have contacted you through Facebook and viewed your resume, as compared to LinkedIn.

To compare, the answer is 0 to both. I haven't been on Facebook since probably 2013, and I only had a LI at all because we were required to make one in college, which I logged into for the second time ever to deactivate also probably around 2013.