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Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by supermatt »

hobs wrote: post #49
barkingcat wrote: post #46

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It's called wishful thinking with blinders. What? The M1 MacBook Pro is not the magical device with no compromises??? People were way too enthusiastic and purposely skipped over any weaknesses of the form factor. People were claiming that it was capped at 16G ram because there were no purpose for having 32G ram (it was amazing to see the hacker news technical set reclaim Bill Gate's "640K ought to be enough for anybo…

Apple didnt have to compromise here, but did - they've definitely sold customers on the "everything just works" approach, and so updating those details and then expecting all the customers who were literally sold on the concept of not having to check on all the details to check them... interesting approach. My mother bought a new macbook m1 with me telling her about the monitor stuff and she cant even get her 1080p n…

Take the dock back. I’ve tried 4 or 5 different ones, and the only one that was any good is the caldigit ts3+. If it’s not DisplayPort/usb-c video output then the dock is using some converter internally that messes everything up.

It’s definitely an Apple issue, but the specific problem can be worked around by basically not using hdmi (I appreciate we don’t all have that luxury :/)

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by Jcowell »

f6v wrote: post #47
vetinari wrote: post #34

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Did you try pandas? Anything that requires cffi?

Pandas works fine for me. But it’s a moderately sized data, below 100k rows. Dask works as well, though I can’t judge the speed.

How did you install pandas without any work around? (Mini forge, building from source, making a Rosetta terminal)

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by Jcowell »

varjag wrote: post #22
Telemakhos wrote: post #18

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MS Teams runs beautifully on my M1. Cisco Anyconnect now installs a bunch of network filters instead of a single kext, but it works. The only programs that run poorly are Apple's own Mail app (often hangs on quit) and Safari (has crashed the whole Mac a few times).

Cisco Anyconnect has a nasty habit disrupting Sidecar.

Yeah I was lucky enough to just use a RD gateway instead of the Cisco VPN so that Sidecar wasn’t disrupted.

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by barkingcat »

supermatt wrote: post #50
barkingcat wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's called wishful thinking with blinders. What? The M1 MacBook Pro is not the magical device with no compromises??? People were way too enthusiastic and purposely skipped over any weaknesses of the form factor. People were claiming that it was capped at 16G ram because there were no purpose for having 32G ram (it was amazing to see the hacker news technical set reclaim Bill Gate's "640K ought to be enough for anybo…

I’m not aware of anyone (except those using VMs) who are complaining about the memory. I personally went from 16gb to 8 and don’t miss it. Do you actually own/use an m1 Mac?

Yes I am using one.

There are workloads that don't fit into 16G ram. Even with paging, there are legitimate needs for 32G and beyond memory sizes.

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by barkingcat »

hobs wrote: post #49
barkingcat wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's called wishful thinking with blinders. What? The M1 MacBook Pro is not the magical device with no compromises??? People were way too enthusiastic and purposely skipped over any weaknesses of the form factor. People were claiming that it was capped at 16G ram because there were no purpose for having 32G ram (it was amazing to see the hacker news technical set reclaim Bill Gate's "640K ought to be enough for anybo…

Apple didnt have to compromise here, but did - they've definitely sold customers on the "everything just works" approach, and so updating those details and then expecting all the customers who were literally sold on the concept of not having to check on all the details to check them... interesting approach. My mother bought a new macbook m1 with me telling her about the monitor stuff and she cant even get her 1080p n…

This is an extremely entitled viewpoint. I'm not sure which "Apple" you are talking about, but as far as my experience has been for the last 20 years of Apple computers, Apple is the king of forcing consumers to compromise.

Do you want 256G ssd size or do you want the upgraded processor or memory size? Do you want 2 usb-c ports or 4 usb-c ports? do you want touchbar or no touchbar?

Apple has market segmentation and compromise down to a science. Apple computers have been forcing people into a compromise for their entire history. Want more features? Give more money. need that money for rent? ok buy the 256G version instead that you can't upgrade because everything is soldered in.... you have more money? pay for 512G version.

And in the dock's case - that's always been the case where apple will happily charge you more money to get certain accessories to work properly. (want this accessory to work? you gotta get the right adapter! oh that old adapter won't work, you gotta get a new one for 80$! oh sorry even with an adapter that old dock won't work anymore, you gotta get the right interface! usb-c vs thunderbolt vs firewire vs usb-c 4!)

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by [deleted] »

FroshKiller wrote: post #20
misnome wrote: post #8

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Yes, very silent. We ordered a replacement for my old work machine and only realised that limitation after - too slow to stop the purchase order. We’ve ordered an ultrawide monitor to compensate. I feel the “Pro” label is somewhat misleading, and has definitely damaged my trust further.

The specs page for the Pro on Apple's site was up front about this and still is. Check it out here: https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-13/specs/ Scroll down to Video Support and see: "One external display with up to 6K resolution at 60Hz." When I was making a buying decision back in November, the limited external display support came up in every analysis & review I read. I'm not trying to give you a hard time here, bu…

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Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by rvz »

clashmoore wrote: post #2

As mentioned in the epilogue regarding single monitors, I feel that Apple was a little too silent regarding that limitation. It also caught me off guard especially as I purchased the LG 4K thunderbolt/usb-c monitors from the Apple website with the hope of connecting everything via daisy chain. I haven’t yet definitively found a DisplayLink hub that can output its video via thunderbolt and/or USB-C so whenever I see a…

> I feel that Apple was a little too silent regarding that limitation.

That's the whole point. It's about what Apple doesn't tell you that matters, which I have said before [0]. Especially for a new product announcement and release, which is why I don't immediately buy their products because everyone else is hyping it everywhere.

Now they are discovering the pitfalls and foot-guns later on after purchasing it, whilst I enjoy my trusty old Intel Macbook that can connect to more than one monitor.

I guess when Apple announces a M1X / M2 Macbook, the reviewers will be telling you that 'It's not worth buying if you already bought into M1'. If that's the case, they are right, since you're now at a sunk cost IF you wanted multi-monitors on your M1 Macbook Air.

What's better is that you wait for the next generation so that you don't fall for buying into Apple's limitations in their new products.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26327064

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by andrewmackrodt »

dijit wrote: post #37
wslh wrote: post #30

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That is why I think Dell XPS 13 is top: three external monitors via a Thunderbolt TB16 and a desktop experience only plugging a single cable. This is not to say that the XPS 13 is perfect (need to change battery every two years in all the notebooks at the office and the notebook gets hot) but the notebook is great in many other factors.

FWIW (and, anecdotally); my company just started rolling out XPS 13's and had to stop as they are overheating constantly. Instead, people are going to be getting latitudes.

I have the XPS 13 2-in-1 and the thermals under Windows leave a lot to be desired. It's possible to apply a small undervolt and increase the Intel turbo limits which significantly improves performance while being able to run with the balanced fan profile. If anyone wants my ThrottleStop config I can upload it to pastebin.

I run Ubuntu day to day and it has much better performance and less fan noise (presumed better thermals) than Windows.

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by ttul »

I am looking forward to the hopefully near term arrival of an “M2” based iMac. I use an M1 Air and it has been a dream to use, but fundamentally I prefer the power that you can tap from a properly ventilated desktop.

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by w0de0 »

tyingq wrote: post #13

I wonder how well the litany of terrible apps that you typically have to run in a corporate environment are doing on M1s. Things like Cisco's Anyconnect VPN, MS Teams, Active Directory Auth, and so on.

“Active Directory Auth” is a native part of macOS, though there are third party directory services auth mechanisms like Nomad.
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