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Inflammation, but Not Telomere Length, Predicts Ageing at Extreme Old Age

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Re: Inflammation, but Not Telomere Length, Predicts Ageing at Extreme Old Age

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Post by andy_ppp »

treeman79 wrote: post #20
TimSchumann wrote: post #3

Anecdote, but this may explain why I feel so much healthier when I'm fasting regularly. Turns out, if you stop putting everything but water/salt in your body, there's not much left that causes inflammation.

Was in a massive Sjogrens flare. Stopped eating for a month. Collapsing aside, my inflammation was fixed. Did a month on sweet potatoes. Very boring but same result.

Sjogrens sounds horrendous! I’m glad you found some way to managing the symptoms, even if quite extreme. Has it been well managed since a return to a more normal diet, have you considered OMAD instead?

Re: Inflammation, but Not Telomere Length, Predicts Ageing at Extreme Old Age

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Post by imwillofficial »

NotSammyHagar wrote: post #52
imwillofficial wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Subjective meaning is not no meaning. Good absolutely has a meaning. So does healthy, as does natural. Your lack of understanding of the context of use, and underlying meaning, is nobody's problem but your own. Perhaps you should have asked what He meant by clean, because clearly you don't understand.

what does clean mean to you then? Everything we consume has been modified from the original. Apples, wheat, tomatoes, corn - everything we eat has been significantly modified from what it was 10,000 years ago. Early farmers modified potatoes and everything else to grow more calories by genetic manipulation - like planting the ones that grow faster or bigger. Nothing and I mean nothing is like it was before mankind st…

::woosh::

Re: Inflammation, but Not Telomere Length, Predicts Ageing at Extreme Old Age

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Post by mahkeiro »

gopalv wrote: post #19
TimSchumann wrote: post #3

Anecdote, but this may explain why I feel so much healthier when I'm fasting regularly. Turns out, if you stop putting everything but water/salt in your body, there's not much left that causes inflammation.

> why I feel so much healthier when I'm fasting regularly. Considering this is Ramadan and fasting is pretty much on-topic, I notice a big difference between the religious fasts and the self-regulated ones. The ramadan fasting without water seems to result in a net weight loss between the morning and the first meal. On the other hand, people like me who do drink water/electrolytes, see our weight go up in the day fro…

Ramadan is not really about fasting in the way science is studying it. During Ramadan people really eat a lot when it is allowed. It may be considered intermittent fasting...

Re: Inflammation, but Not Telomere Length, Predicts Ageing at Extreme Old Age

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Post by mattowen_uk »

mrwaffle wrote: post #28

hi, i'm a just stupid waffle. can someone give me the TLDR of this [nearly] impossible to understand piece of writing?

From what I understand, is that if your body is quite good at fighting infection (and thus creates inflammation) you'll live longer.

Seems a bit obvious to me, but what do I know? I'm not an academic scientist...

Re: Inflammation, but Not Telomere Length, Predicts Ageing at Extreme Old Age

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Post by hobofan »

raducu wrote: post #74
thatcat wrote: post #62

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only short term via cortisol, long term burnout is as mysterious as it is destructive

I guess I'll check it out. I'm 37 and I think my room started having the old person smell.

That might also be something less dramatic. After a year of mostly staying at home, I had the same feeling, but in the end I think it was mostly stank from some of the more extreme diets I had in recent times. Now that the weather allows for full days of ventilation again (combined with baking soda) that smell was pretty quickly gone.

Re: Inflammation, but Not Telomere Length, Predicts Ageing at Extreme Old Age

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Post by nwienert »

foerbert wrote: post #51
nwienert wrote: post #45

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Okinawa diet is some 40% sweet potatoes and top percentile life span so can’t hurt.

Sure it could. You can't just isolate some portion of a highly complex system and claim that the isolated portion will be beneficial in any similar system. Just for an extreme example to make the point - say some diet included a poisonous component as well as the antidote. Those eating the diet may well be just fine. However if somebody else simply looked at the poisonous part and copied only that, they would not do…

It was a flippant statement, but it’s still more right than your righteous reply.

I have experience here, literally with isolation diets for immune issues on starches, common for immunologists to run, see AIP which can start extreme down to one thing. I had a friend who had to do a super intense version, luckily, mine was quick.

There’s no problem with flippant statements, just bad faith replies that try and pick fights over nothing.

Also didn’t claim benefit. It’s potato. If there were some significant problem we’d have known by now.

Re: Inflammation, but Not Telomere Length, Predicts Ageing at Extreme Old Age

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Post by _y5hn »

andy_ppp wrote: post #70
sparrc wrote: post #56

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yet everyone in the comments is sounding off as if this scientifically proves their random anecdotes about fasting

What’s wrong with fasting, isn’t it likely to increase life expectancy. I certainly feel better from this attempt at Ramadan (not religious just interested to try it as flat mate is Syrian). What evidence do you have that fasting -> less inflammation -> better ageing is wrong?

Fasting is good when following recommendations. But people in West are very ignorant about the practice still. It's natural to be sceptical about foreign practices, until they become medicine.

Re: Inflammation, but Not Telomere Length, Predicts Ageing at Extreme Old Age

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Post by nwienert »

treeman79 wrote: post #67
foerbert wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure it could. You can't just isolate some portion of a highly complex system and claim that the isolated portion will be beneficial in any similar system. Just for an extreme example to make the point - say some diet included a poisonous component as well as the antidote. Those eating the diet may well be just fine. However if somebody else simply looked at the poisonous part and copied only that, they would not do…

Yea. Never eat only one food for extended periods. This was a pure desperation move.

It’s actually common for immune/allergy issues, I did rice once on a doctors recommendation, worked fine.
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