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Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by krainboltgreene »

nate_meurer wrote: post #87
antiterra wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there are multiple social media sites that consider giving addresses and personal information to be ‘doxxing’ regardless of whether or not the info was found in public databases. Twitter, Wikipedia and Reddit being examples.

No, nope, and no again. Here's Reddit's definition: "Doxxing is where a user publishes private or identifying information about (a particular individual) on the Internet, typically with malicious intent." [1] Twitter's: "Sharing someone’s private information online without their permission, sometimes called doxxing, is a breach of their privacy and of the Twitter Rules." [2] And Wikipedia's: "Doxing or doxxing is the…

The reddit one you quoted is exactly what the parent is talking about:

> publishes private or identifying information

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by bingbong70 »

weeweww32 wrote: post #98
barbacoa wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do those numbers mean?

FBI crime statistics (13% of the population 57% of the violent crime) https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-...

And according to exoneration data, innocent African American suspects are:

- 7 times more likely to be falsely convicted of murder than innocent white suspects.

- 3.5 times more likely ... for sexual assaults.

7x & 3.5x are lowballs since I expect only a relatively small % can actually afford to prove their innocence.

Conclusion: Good luck getting accurate crime stats from some of the most historically racist institutions in the USA.

Exoneration Stats https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Documents/Race...

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by krainboltgreene »

nate_meurer wrote: post #94
jasonfarnon wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"and the only useful one" Actually this is a useless definition, because what constitutes "private information" is exactly at issue

In exactly what way is information available in public government databases considered private . Please be specific. Regardless of your definition of public , the word doxxing has never covered it. We have plenty of other language to refer to the sharing of publicly available information. The word doxxing was coined to give a name to a type of invasion of privacy that came to prominence with the rise of the Internet.…

If I didn't consent to that data to be stored in a public government database.

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by nate_meurer »

krainboltgreene wrote: post #113
nate_meurer wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In exactly what way is information available in public government databases considered private . Please be specific. Regardless of your definition of public , the word doxxing has never covered it. We have plenty of other language to refer to the sharing of publicly available information. The word doxxing was coined to give a name to a type of invasion of privacy that came to prominence with the rise of the Internet.…

If I didn't consent to that data to be stored in a public government database.

Your consent is irrelevant here. The information is still publicly available to anyone who wants to look.

You can make the case that this data should be private, and I might agree, but that doesn't change the fact that it is currently public, hence there is nothing to be "revealed" or "doxxed". The information is already out there, in public, easy to find.

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by nate_meurer »

krainboltgreene wrote: post #111
nate_meurer wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, nope, and no again. Here's Reddit's definition: "Doxxing is where a user publishes private or identifying information about (a particular individual) on the Internet, typically with malicious intent." [1] Twitter's: "Sharing someone’s private information online without their permission, sometimes called doxxing, is a breach of their privacy and of the Twitter Rules." [2] And Wikipedia's: "Doxing or doxxing is the…

The reddit one you quoted is exactly what the parent is talking about: > publishes private or identifying information

No, those aren't the same thing at all, and this is made obvious by the examples they give on that page.

"Identifying information" refers to revealing the true identity of a pseudonymous user on the site (e.g., violentacrez), or a person who has no previous association with the site (e.g., Sunil Tripathi). In these cases the perpetrators used information that was known only to them, or that the "public" had no easy access to, or that the "public" didn't even know existed until the perpetrators brought it to their attention.

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by cryptonector »

commandlinefan wrote: post #9
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but will they prevent you from posting a link to the HN discussion of the Newsweek article about them blocking the NY Post article? Is it possible that Facebook is a big enough share of the internet that they can block the Streisand Effect? My money is on "no".

> posting a link to the HN discussion Well... contentious stories get removed from here, too. This is a topic that gets contentious.

This one is flagged, for example.

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by pcf »

Why is this post "flagged" by Hacker News?

The post links to a neutral news story by Newsweek, which is a very reputable source. So what could be problematic about that article?

I fear that Hacker News might have a bias which makes them censor posts, exactly like Facebook does in this specific case. I don't want this to be true, but I can't think of any other reasons.

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by pcf »

nvr219 wrote: post #3

Of all the ways Facebook restricts speech on its platform this one is pretty low on the list in my opinion. Seems like that particular article has some content that violates their doxxing policy (whatever that is). Other articles about the same topic can be shared including from Fox.

What in the Newsweek article I linked to would violate any doxxing policy? It only refers to the NY Post article, not even linking to it.

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by akvadrako »

commandlinefan wrote: post #9
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but will they prevent you from posting a link to the HN discussion of the Newsweek article about them blocking the NY Post article? Is it possible that Facebook is a big enough share of the internet that they can block the Streisand Effect? My money is on "no".

> posting a link to the HN discussion Well... contentious stories get removed from here, too. This is a topic that gets contentious.

Such as?

I assume you don't mean flagging, since those are not removed, just frozen.

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