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Re: There’s Nothing to Do Except Gamble

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> Housing prices spiraling out of control Housing prices on average across the US, on an inflation adjusted basis cost the same exact amount per square foot as they did in the 1970s. They're twice as big now. And in areas where they are more expensive, it's driven by cities refusing to allow new construction to match demand. Simply a supply and demand issue, and a zoning issue. Why do you think the others are specifi…

The housing prices that are spiraling out of control are those which are being driven up by the increasing wealth of the upper-1% to 10%. The price of housing in Krupp, WA isn't inflating at all. The price of housing where software developers and people in finance and business and industry, and the places where people like to buy second homes is inflating. And it is just supply and demand, and you've addressed supply…

> And it is just supply and demand, and you've addressed supply but what is driving so much demand, and why do participants in that market have so much more money to be bidding up prices.

This is something a quick visit to Wikipedia will explain to you. [1]

> Since the 1960s, San Francisco and the surrounding Bay Area have enacted strict zoning regulations. Among other restrictions, San Francisco does not allow buildings over 40 feet tall in most of the city, and has passed laws making it easier for neighbors to block developments. Partly as a result of these codes, from 2007 to 2014, the Bay Area issued building permits for only half the number of needed houses, based on the area's population growth. [1]

They literally built half as many houses as needed.

> ... and why do participants in that market have so much more money to be bidding up prices.

That would be because of the number of high-paying jobs added in the Bay Area.

> At the same time, there has been rapid economic growth of the high tech industry in San Francisco and nearby Silicon Valley, which has created hundreds of thousands of new jobs. The resultant high demand for housing, combined with the lack of supply, (caused by severe restrictions on the building of new housing units) have caused dramatic increases in rents and extremely high housing prices. [1]

Remember, these are outliers as on average across the US, on an inflation adjusted basis, the $/sqft price of housing has not budged since the 1970s. However, zoning rules left the average new house twice as big outside of metros, and regressive policies in metros skewed the supply side of supply and demand.

Thing is, I'm frustrated because you're right to be mad but pinning this on the Fed is pissing into the wind. Put the blame where it's due: deregulate housing construction. Allow supply to grow to meet demand. It's not rocket science.

The only thing the Fed has done to raise the price of houses is decrease interest rates. A drop from 5% APR on a 30-year fixed to 2.5% APR means for the same monthly payment you can afford a house 25% more expensive. Fundamentally however this didn't change the affordability of housing for the borrower class.

The cantillon effect may account for some subset of this wherein wealthy borrowers with easy access to capital are able to take advantage of the lower price of housing (before bid up) and also the lower interest rates. However, I've found zero quantification of this.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_housing_shortage

[2] https://fee.org/articles/new-homes-today-have-twice-the-squa...

Re: There’s Nothing to Do Except Gamble

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Why doesn't gamestop just sell back a ton of stock? They repurchased >100 Million shares in 2019 for dirt cheap. I saw the news about the share selloff, but a paltry 3.5M shares isn't what I was expecting, and thats part of the reason I was extremely skeptical about GME, why wouldn't the company simply sell directly to the shorts so that they could cover? https://ycharts.com/companies/GME/stock_buyback

Not screwing over ~9M wallstreetbets users, possibly resulting in a short squeeze, nets you millions of loyal customers for life. On top of that, the whole reason the stock is currently priced so high is the lack of available shares. Release slightly too much new shares and stock prices will plummet. It's not a linear relationship.

Well, I guess you're a lot more optimistic than me. I always assume that big companies don't give a shit about their customers and will always screw them over if there is some benefit in doing so.

Re: There’s Nothing to Do Except Gamble

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Money is stored wealth, the ability to buy goods and services in the future. The problem seems to be that we live in a time of societal upheaval. The future of stored wealth becomes cloudier and more uncertain the further you go out in time. So, what is the best place to store wealth? Will my wealth be eroded by inflation? Will the companies I invest in become obsolete by technology or market-manipulating nation stat…

Money isn't really stored wealth, it's a transferable debt obligation from the government. It's guaranteed to be redeemable to settle up taxes and court rulings, and entitles you to some estimate of the productivity of it's jurisdiction - enforced by the government.

> it's a transferable debt obligation from the government

But isn't Bitcoin money as well, not guaranteed by the government?

Re: There’s Nothing to Do Except Gamble

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Money is stored wealth, the ability to buy goods and services in the future. The problem seems to be that we live in a time of societal upheaval. The future of stored wealth becomes cloudier and more uncertain the further you go out in time. So, what is the best place to store wealth? Will my wealth be eroded by inflation? Will the companies I invest in become obsolete by technology or market-manipulating nation stat…

Assets are less ephemeral stored wealth. Money facilitates transactions, but it is not a factor of production, it is not a consumption good, and it is not backed up by any of these things, so it is a very nebulous type of wealth.

I would agree with a previous poster that money is a debt obligation. If you have "money" in bank, what does it mean? It means the bank has a debt-obligation to pay you back with other type of debt-obligation, the government sanctioned cash.

Money is definitely an interesting concept. I'm not sure I fully understand it. But I use it.

Re: There’s Nothing to Do Except Gamble

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> If you buy an income producing property that's good because it is an income producing property. Not sure I understand your reasoning there. > You're speculating on a digital collectible. And if you buy properties not for self-use you're speculating on a physical collectible. So?

First quote isn't exact, so I'm not sure what you're addressing. If you buy properties not for self use, you can hold them indefinitely and have an income stream. If you buy a share of a company and hold it indefinitely you can have an income stream. There is no equivalent in cryptocurrencies. You buy it and hope you can sell at a later date for a higher price. Investing versus speculation.

I agree. I think it's worth pointing out that investing in crypto-currencies is really no different from investing in any currency say Euro. And when you have money in a US bank-account you are (typically) "invested" in US Dollars. But see below, that really is not investment, but speculation.

Investing in a currency/cash is speculation in the sense that currency itself does not produce anything but its value can go up and down. Investing in a currency is like investing in roulette in casino, you may win and you may lose.

So, keeping your money in bank for ~0% interest really is gambling/speculation too.

But, from the point of view of the individual investor it does not matter if you are "investing" or "speculating". In both cases you may win and you may lose.

Re: There’s Nothing to Do Except Gamble

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That is not entirely correct.[1] The CFTC has authority to investigate frauds which affect commodity markets in which futures trading exists, and they have used this with regard to Bitcoin. "Examples of Prohibited Activities: Price manipulation of a virtual currency traded in interstate commerce.", writes the CFTC. One could, for example, trade some art object at a grossly inflated price between two parties that are…

Art is not a commodity; there is no futures trading on art.

Unfortunately, there is. There are "art funds"[1] and "art fund derivatives". Now, with NFTs, there's more of this.

[1] https://itsartlaw.org/2015/05/19/art-investment-funds-intro/

Re: There’s Nothing to Do Except Gamble

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> Our job in life is to engage in value creation. That's grim! It's not my job in life.

That's how the gov't views you, as an economic unit = labor production.

"The government" is a massive institution inclusive of multiple separate power bases, agencies, motivations, responsibilities, and bosses. It doesn't view me as anything; parts of it view - if "view" is the right verb - as variously a citizen, a suspect, a taxpayer. Always a datum, sure, but the important metadata varies.

Re: There’s Nothing to Do Except Gamble

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Money isn't really stored wealth, it's a transferable debt obligation from the government. It's guaranteed to be redeemable to settle up taxes and court rulings, and entitles you to some estimate of the productivity of it's jurisdiction - enforced by the government.

> it's a transferable debt obligation from the government But isn't Bitcoin money as well, not guaranteed by the government?

Only in the sense a goat is when you happen to be contemplating doing business with someone looking to acquire a goat.

Re: There’s Nothing to Do Except Gamble

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> Our job in life is to engage in value creation. That's grim! It's not my job in life.

Value doesn't have to be money. You can be nice to someone and that adds value to the world and counts as value creation. If all you do is suck value out of the world then I would argue you are a bad human being.

I refuse to accept that my life must fulfill some utilitarianism of nebulous “value,” I would sooner ascribe to a Calvinist predestination than accept that framework for living.

This suffers from a fundamental problem. If the creation of value is the ultimate good, and we are obligated to maximize that good, we could do a lot better job at it than smiling some dopamine into our neighbor as you suggest. We’re all irredeemably evil for not doing so.

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