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“My Octopus Teacher” defied convention

nautil.us

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Re: “My Octopus Teacher” defied convention

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If your comment was some kind joke please disregard my comment. Sorry to see you getting down voted into the basement, I too am a devout theist. I don't think the nature of your argument being theistic is the primary reason you are getting down voted though. I think if you built a stronger set of arguments about why this matters and how it relates to humans deserving a better level of treatment than other animals you…

The problem is that you’re approaching the discussion with a completely different philosophical framework than most people have, so they’ll latch on to specific things they disagree with in your example comment and dismiss the rest. For example your statement “I believe all humans are made in the likeness of God” will lead to “well I don’t”, and the discussion is over. I think it’s more effective to find the core iss…

I agree with all of your comment. However, I think many people presume the purpose of the HN comments section is to have a robust debate that helps the community arrive at some conclusion. I think there is a lot of value in comments that simply share a persons point of view. I would really enjoy hearing others perspectives outside of secular scientific/evolutionary viewpoint and christian viewpoint.

Particularly it would be great to hear from people with hindu backgrounds as they often have a lot to say about our relationship with animals.

Re: “My Octopus Teacher” defied convention

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post #48

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But I am also a primate, mammal, vertebrate, animal, terran life-form. And going the other direction I am homo sapiens as opposed to neanderthal, caucasian, German, member of my specific family. Why draw a sharp line specifically at "human"..?

One reason is that we can communicate with (most) other humans to establish the shared boundary in a way we cannot (as reliably?) with other life. I make no particular claim here as to how this reason should be weighed against the various other reasons pulling in the various directions.

How is that actually relevant though? Do your morals change when it comes to humans you cannot communicate with?

Re: “My Octopus Teacher” defied convention

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The thing I didn't much like about this movie was that the ending tried to put an activist spin on what the filmmaker was doing. One of the last shots is of him and a bunch of his friends going out on a dive (as opposed to just him), as if this will help the octopus somehow. In fact, the relationship between him and the octopus only works because the filmmaker has a large patch of pristine coast seemingly to himself.…

While I understand your sentiment, I think the primary objective of the filmmaker is to make a good film. Sometimes that means doing something to simply get an emotional response out of it. If it’s effective in giving people a deeper appreciation of the animal and that ecosystem, then I'd argue it was a good choice and not at all misguided as you're portraying it.

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I did not like this documentary at all, i don't get the point of it at all... A privileged white dude complains about how he feels disconnected from his family, so he spends a year harassing an octopus. It literally tries to run away and he stalks it, it's creepy.

That was my thought process exactly for the first half of the film. Really pissed me off that he had this "woe is me my life is so empty" while having this dream job and living in paradise. Like, WTF dude? See a therapist. What softened me was the storytelling: it's a feelgood formula and I'm a sucker for that. I believe one could have easily re-narrated this film to make the octopus terrified, we have no real way to know. Sorry you're getting downvoted, but I agree with you. Some people just want to see a happy narrative, even if it has a dark side. But definitely bursting at the seams with privilege and questionably misleading ethics.

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The thing I didn't much like about this movie was that the ending tried to put an activist spin on what the filmmaker was doing. One of the last shots is of him and a bunch of his friends going out on a dive (as opposed to just him), as if this will help the octopus somehow. In fact, the relationship between him and the octopus only works because the filmmaker has a large patch of pristine coast seemingly to himself.…

While I understand your sentiment, I think the primary objective of the filmmaker is to make a good film. Sometimes that means doing something to simply get an emotional response out of it. If it’s effective in giving people a deeper appreciation of the animal and that ecosystem, then I'd argue it was a good choice and not at all misguided as you're portraying it.

Just because a film can make a large positive emotional response doesn't mean it was a good film, just as a film that can make a large negative emotional response is a bad film.

I think GP was criticizing the cheap, low-hanging feelgood duct taped onto the end. It doesn't make the film better.

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I enjoyed reading this interview a lot. I appreciate the perspective and knowledge that Craig Foster offers into the ecosystem he is so familiar with. But with the documentary, it was the opposite. The cinematography is gorgeous and many of the scenes that were captured were truly remarkable because he spent so much time in the water. The footage of the octopus and the sharks was just extraordinary. However, I really…

Yeah agree, loved the movie but his story did not land for me at all. The octopus gets her arm ripped off and he somehow internalized that as himself being torn apart... He was dying working a regular job and needed to make this moonshot octopus documentary... for his son.

It all comes off as this sort of quasi humble but very self-aggrandizing story told by a man with one facial expression. Sort of like a wealthy white lady talking about her ayahuasca retreat or something.

Re: “My Octopus Teacher” defied convention

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I'm just going to leave this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwS4e1P1yF4

I wonder how many non-South Africans get this :)

Lets just say that I caught a glimpse of the Mountain at 1:30 and oriented myself from that.

Re: “My Octopus Teacher” defied convention

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post #51

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> is likely to cause viewers who think "Yikes, I sure wish I could afford to drop everything go swimming every day" to respond with resentment Really? I doubt given the choice that many people would choose to dedicate a year to daily cold water swimming and filmmaking. And we have no idea about the financial arrangements. Maybe he pitched the idea and got an advance. And we don’t know if he was consulting on the side…

> Really? Yes. I do not doubt given the choice that many people would choose to dedicate a year to daily cold water swimming and filmmaking. > And we have no idea about the financial arrangements. Maybe it could be anything. But the story as presented in the movie is: a burnt-out white guy (who lives in an ocean-view villa in South Africa) spends every day filming an octopus. > I don’t need all my characters to be fu…

> I do not doubt given the choice that many people would choose to dedicate a year to daily cold water swimming and filmmaking.

No way. Most people don't like swimming, the ocean, free diving or being cold. The subset that likes all 4 and has enough dedication to do it every day for an entire year regardless rain, wind or injury and has a passion for filmmaking is very, very small. That's why this documentary is so impressive and why the footage is so rare. Because very few people who are rich enough to work on a film project for a year would ever spend their time in this way.

> a burnt-out white guy (who lives in an ocean-view villa in South Africa) spends every day filming an octopus

I don't understand why his identity is as important as the content he created. The story to me is: "cold water free diver develops a passion for open ocean swimming and bonds with an octopus while capturing rare, intimate footage of the creature's life, death and everything in between".

> Because I made what I thought was a relatively small and reasonable observation.

It's not a small or reasonable observation to me. I've never seen another documentary about a rich, white male where they need to state their privilege. So that's why I was wondering if it's something particular to this individual or more like you want anyone with privilege in any documentary to acknowledge it, otherwise you'll feel resentment towards them.

> Your response (instead of engaging with that point perhaps by arguing that My Octopus Teacher is improved by the fact that the main character seems like an out of touch "What's a banana cost? Ten dollars?" rich guy) was to bring in wild hyperbole about applying this specific observation to every one in every thing couched in the extremely broad statement "Any popular documentary is the result of privilege somewhere along the line."

Because I have no idea where you would draw the line. Is it only self-made documentaries where people have to acknowledge their privilege? The problem is way deeper than that. People with privilege decide what content options you're able to watch and which projects get funded and who makes them which is a way bigger issue than some random guy you'll never meet acknowledging his privilege or not while making an introspective nature film. If you find yourself resenting this guy, it must be rough resenting at least someone in nearly every documentary on Netflix. Almost all of them have a rich, white male at some point and I've never seen 1 acknowledge their privilege on film. And there's no mention of how he got the beach house or his family history. You're just filling in the blanks that this guy doesn't know the price of bananas when you know little to nothing about him except for that he has a nice house. There are tons of nice beach houses in CA that are super remote, precisely because people build them by hand and the roads / utilities are poor so no one wants to live there. We have no idea how much his house is worth or how desirable that location is.

> To craft a more resonant/engaging story > Because I like engaging stories that feel fully thought out.

The format of a documentary is designed to be a window into someone's reality. A good documentary shouldn't be trying to craft a message or to make someone more likable. This just happens to be a documentary about a white, rich, male, but that's incidental to the focus of the film which is why it wasn't necessary to address it. The guy had a ton of brilliantly shot underwater footage. I really don't see the point in resenting him for that.

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