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'Whitest ever' paint reflects 98% of sunlight

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Someone needs to compile a list of all this fringe tech that I see popping up in my feeds, almost daily now. I know there are techpress blogs that pump out articles like this, but there doesn't seem to be an authoritative compendium of such tech anywhere on the net. I could curate this by hand with 3 hours of free time and some Red Bull I suppose. The reason I want this is because we seem to be swimming in innovation…

Wikipedia’s “List of emerging technologies” [1] provides a glimpse of the breadth of our ongoing innovations. [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emerging_technologie...

Thanks for the share. Great list that.

Re: 'Whitest ever' paint reflects 98% of sunlight

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I bet this would look fantastic mixed with some vantablack, for the greyest grey achievable.

You joke but it's interesting to think about what mixing them or mixing their components would do.

Mixing them as-is would ruin the effect of Vantablack. Since carbon nanotubes are black you probably would get a boring grey color with a gloss surface due to barium sulfate.

I'm curious what the effect would be if you coated Vantablack with barium sulfate. A highly reflective surface with an extreme black paint underneath.

Re: 'Whitest ever' paint reflects 98% of sunlight

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You can tell we collectively lost it when white paint is presented as a solution for climate change... You know what's big, white and help with climate change ? The ice caps we're destroying. We won't replace them with paint

It's not a solution but it helps improve some of the causes. Painting buildings white reduces the energy needed to cool them. Reducing peak energy demand generated by air conditioning is a positive step. Peak generators use fossil fuels.

Re: 'Whitest ever' paint reflects 98% of sunlight

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Yeah, no, 98% percent reflectance paint has been available for, I don’t know, 30 years. I was using it about 15 years ago for a product that required high optical efficiency.

The problem with such paints or coatings is that they don’t perform well over time outside of a clean room environment. On a roof this 98% would likely only exist for 1.2 microseconds. Dust, dirt, aging an bird shit will make sure of that.

Climate change? Oh please. Ridiculous.

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Also: Black 3.0, the purchasable variant of Vantablack For sale at: https://www.culturehustleusa.com/

I tried it. It's not that black at all. My regular black T-shirt was blacker than a piece of cardboard I painted with Black 3.0. Super disappointing, to say the least.

Ne Joke: Use it on something you prepared before (eg sanded down). And use Black 2.0 as a primer. Results are way better

Re: 'Whitest ever' paint reflects 98% of sunlight

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You can tell we collectively lost it when white paint is presented as a solution for climate change... You know what's big, white and help with climate change ? The ice caps we're destroying. We won't replace them with paint

I don’t agree with your cynicism. This is a very practical, potentially accessible, inexpensive solution to save literally tons of power. It’s an easy win. Let’s take it and move on to the next area we can make gains in the fight against climate change.

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Someone needs to compile a list of all this fringe tech that I see popping up in my feeds, almost daily now. I know there are techpress blogs that pump out articles like this, but there doesn't seem to be an authoritative compendium of such tech anywhere on the net. I could curate this by hand with 3 hours of free time and some Red Bull I suppose. The reason I want this is because we seem to be swimming in innovation…

In The Chip, T. R. Reid talks about how Kilby and Noyce (inventors of the integrated circuit) spent time reading through new patent applications every day/week. As programmers, we spend a lot of time reading blog posts, but it's possible to take it further than that. For a couple years I attended a database reading group every Friday at a local university, where each week we would discuss a paper someone was interested in. You may also have alumni access to interesting journals. Or A Morning Paper[0] is a more Readers Digest approach. It takes some intentional work, but it's fun and you learn a lot.

[0] https://blog.acolyer.org/

Re: 'Whitest ever' paint reflects 98% of sunlight

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"We did a very rough calculation," said Prof Ruan. "And we estimate we would only need to paint 1% of the Earth's surface with this paint - perhaps an area where no people live that is covered in rocks - and that could help fight the climate change trend." LMAO me I love living in the future. This sentence could’ve been lifted from the Hitchiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.

Heat in cities causes us to produce more heat trying to cool indoor spaces. You paint the roofs with this stuff.

I get it, it’s just a funny quote. “Paints” a rather absurd picture - scientists furiously painting a mountain somewhere Ultra-white® in a last-ditch attempt to cool down the planet.

If you haven’t yet read Douglas Adams, I can highly recommend it.

Re: 'Whitest ever' paint reflects 98% of sunlight

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Someone needs to compile a list of all this fringe tech that I see popping up in my feeds, almost daily now. I know there are techpress blogs that pump out articles like this, but there doesn't seem to be an authoritative compendium of such tech anywhere on the net. I could curate this by hand with 3 hours of free time and some Red Bull I suppose. The reason I want this is because we seem to be swimming in innovation…

www.sciencedaily.com is what you’re looking for. This story, like most others, was published there the same day the research came out:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/10/201021112358.h...

And they have an absurd number RSS feeds for every topic too:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/newsfeeds.htm

Re: 'Whitest ever' paint reflects 98% of sunlight

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a lot of practicality/implementation concerns to paint other than what color it is. Just as many if not more than there are for battery technologies. Does the paint stick to the surface you want to paint, how is it applied, what is the coverage, is it durable, does it repel contaminants, can it withstand the environmental conditions, is it chemically compatible with the surface, it is chemically a concern f…

one thing i’ve learned from doing little home improvement projects over the past few years is that paint is a 2-part product, primer and topcoat, and neither should be skipped if you want good results. generally speaking, primer sticks and seals while topcoat colors and protects. this isn’t made obvious in any way to the novice, and big box store workers seem as ignorant about it as anyone.

Depending on the application, the primer coats can fulfill a couple other requirements as well:

If you want a really smooth topcoat, you usually want to sand past what you can reasonably/economically/effectively do on the substrate. Some primers are formulated to sand nicely to a powder (as opposed to balling up in clumps on the paper). You'll see this spraying higher quality paint grade work. You have to have a decent surface before you prime, but the primer can really smooth it out for the topcoat.

If you're finishing pine with knots in it, you'll want a primer that will seal the knots, otherwise the pitch will eventually bleed through and discolor the topcoat. Shellac excels at this.

Shellac is also outstanding as a sanding sealer. You can use that in a couple of ways: to fill the pores in the wood so they don't get full of sanding dust (which can be key if you have inlay of strongly contrasting woods), or to stiffen the fibers of softer woods so you can get a better/smoother sanded surface for the next steps in the finishing schedule.

Shellac is also often used as a barrier coat between otherwise incompatible finishes or when you have a relatively fragile stain layer. If you're putting an oil based finish over an oil based stain, you run the risk of picking up the stain as you apply the topcoat, especially if you're brushing or wiping the topcoat. Because the solvent in shellac is alcohol, you can pretty freely brush it over oil or water based stains without risking a disaster.

And yes, I do use primers other than shellac from time to time if I have a specific need, but dewaxed shellac is compatible with basically everything, so I always have a can around.

N.B. I'm not a professional finisher. Don't take my word on any of this; test your prep and finishing schedule on scrap!

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