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Re: Time flies in Google Earth’s biggest update in years

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I've never understood why people wouldn't just figure something out as global warming gets worse. There's lots of nuclear power plants out there, shut down for political reasons, that'd be ready to go in weeks if you didn't have all the anti-nuclear protests, for starters. There's also geo-engineering and such - spraying black stuff in the atmosphere to reduce the amount of incoming sunlight. The idea that humanity c…

That’s a very common line of reasoning which I would call magical thinking. Sure, there’s not really any risk that humans will go extinct in the near future, but our technological global civilization is much more fragile. First, we look at the numbers concerning best case scenarios and see that a few degrees of warming is basically inevitable. Then, we ask how likely it is that well make rapid corrections now - perso…

> our technological global civilization

Good riddance. If our technological global civilization results in conditions that make technological global civilization impossible, then so be it. It wasn't fit to exist to begin with. It's a self-regulating problem.

> There’s a long scholarship concerning resource conflict and the destabilizing effects of mass migration. We don’t have a good track record of dealing with this, and I see little reason to expect us to become better at it soon.

I don't know what you mean here - are you suggesting mass migration is inevitable?

> The geoengineering idea is especially ludicrous to me - what we’re really talking about are emergency uncontrolled experiments to stave off a worse disaster. We’ve organized our entire global economic system around carbon - any geoengineering project has to not only compete with that, but actively remove more carbon from the atmosphere, which is a problem you’re underestimating the difficulty of.

No, I mean spraying dust into the atmosphere to make it darker, so less sunlight comes in.

It's not just a matter of economy - people aren't even picking the low-hanging fruit. If any country wanted to severely cut CO2 emissions, there's a simple thing they could do:

1) reopen all the closed nuclear plants 2) deregulate nuclear power plant construction, focus on mass producing cheap power plants with no regard for safety 3) shut down the coal plants 4) throw everyone who protests in prison

Obviously, this isn't done because all of these steps are politically impossible. But it just goes to show - if we were serious about this, we'd have picked the low-hanging fruit already. If we haven't even picked the low-hanging fruit yet, how can you say it's impossible?

> To close, what has humanity done to convince you that we’ll 100% restructure our society to collaboratively solve this crisis “once it gets bad enough”?

It's like people procrastinating their homework until 5 minutes before the deadline. Eventually they'll get it done.

Re: Time flies in Google Earth’s biggest update in years

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post #347

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"It’s true that without dramatic action in the next couple of decades..." You missed the first part of their sentence. On the flipside perhaps you're a little too much into doomsday scenarios? We've quite literally transformed the entire planet and way of living inside of 30 years since personal computation technology took off. I really don't see it as particularly farfetched that we can correct for our negative cons…

Do you seriously think we actually do this "dramatic action" in the next couple of decades? If we manage to get it started, what if another Trump gets elected and sabotage it from the top?

How many governments have commited to doing something about the irreversible damage being done to the ocean by overfishing? Everyone here is going crazy about climate change, when it is very well known information that eating fish is the greatest current contributor to climate change. (See Seaspiracy) So would you mind explaining what Orange man bad has done differently to any other puppet placed on the US throne? He withdrew from trash agreements that do nothing to actually improve climate change, yes. Based on your profile I would guess that you are the kind of person preaching to everyone about using plastic straws while eating your poisonous salmon nagiri.

Re: Time flies in Google Earth’s biggest update in years

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Ok, then what is the baseline for comparison aka where we are vs where we should be? If the goal/definition is concrete, then we can plan better and understand what is "enough" once we're caught up.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make or if you're objecting to anything in particular, but being global carbon negative seems like a good start.

If you're calling for action then we need to have clear metrics, goals, and standards that we can prioritize, plan for, evaluate decisions against, and measure the results against. Thank you for adding one.

Alternatively, if you're simply putting out a Vision to inspire enthusiasm or incite fear, then "we're behind" is sufficient and doesn't require anything more because at best, it's the "race to the moon" and at worst, it's the "missile gap."

Re: Time flies in Google Earth’s biggest update in years

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post #400

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I'm not sure what point you're trying to make or if you're objecting to anything in particular, but being global carbon negative seems like a good start.

If you're calling for action then we need to have clear metrics, goals, and standards that we can prioritize, plan for, evaluate decisions against, and measure the results against. Thank you for adding one. Alternatively, if you're simply putting out a Vision to inspire enthusiasm or incite fear, then "we're behind" is sufficient and doesn't require anything more because at best, it's the "race to the moon" and at wo…

> If you're calling for action

I mean, I guess I am, but really I'm mostly relaying my understanding of the scientific consensus. I didn't make my comment in some sort of vacuum where readers are supposed to understand the last few decades of climate science just from my comment...

Re: Time flies in Google Earth’s biggest update in years

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post #266

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Are you suggesting government mandated population control?

Are you? That's a strange response. Your question is a non sequitur.

I'm strongly against governments controlling population growth.

OP I was responding to stated:

"Microbes don’t coordinate their growth, and therefore fall into boom-bust cycles that dominate and exhaust their local environment. Humans can reason about these issues, but we see insufficient ability to collectively coordinate in response to them."

Government is how we collectively coordinate. Microbes exhaust their local environment by reproduction, hence the question.

Re: Time flies in Google Earth’s biggest update in years

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post #288

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Pick an area of science which intersects with human development and I'll find you something - the underlying truth is that we can't hope to disrupt such a huge percentage of our biosphere without nasty consequences, and we can't hope to have remediation efforts compete with the global engine of human development. We've essentially organized an entire global society around the injection of carbon into the atmosphere,…

OP asked for you to provide research and yet you've entirely evaded doing so.

I made a more specific offer which received no response, meanwhile others have posted a number of research articles in this very thread.

Nothing I’ve said disagrees with the scientific consensus, so you could also just Google it rather than whining that someone on the internet isn’t holding your hand.

Re: Time flies in Google Earth’s biggest update in years

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post #404

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If you're calling for action then we need to have clear metrics, goals, and standards that we can prioritize, plan for, evaluate decisions against, and measure the results against. Thank you for adding one. Alternatively, if you're simply putting out a Vision to inspire enthusiasm or incite fear, then "we're behind" is sufficient and doesn't require anything more because at best, it's the "race to the moon" and at wo…

> If you're calling for action I mean, I guess I am, but really I'm mostly relaying my understanding of the scientific consensus. I didn't make my comment in some sort of vacuum where readers are supposed to understand the last few decades of climate science just from my comment...

I've been reading reports and analysis since the Kyoto Protocols. The most fascinating things since that time is that we (the US) were behind in those requirements but significantly ahead of everyone else. The Paris Agreement is roughly the same so far too.

In a situation where "we're behind" and "we're ahead" are both accurate statements point to a significant problem in the approach.

You choosing one of them exclusively means you're playing for "your team" instead of looking at reality of the situation which is neither useful nor honest.

Re: Time flies in Google Earth’s biggest update in years

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What's really striking to me about timelapse videos of the Earth is how, at a grand enough scale, the growth of human settlements on Earth really looks no different than the growth of bacterial and fungal colonies on Petri dishes. We think of ourself as special, as having conquered environments, technology and more - and when zoomed out you could explain everything we've built and accomplished as the achievements of…

I think of humans as a form of fire uniquely cursed with the ability to see the beauty in what it's burning, and to feel bad about it.

I think the important distinction between life and non-life is that life creates local reductions in entropy.

At a macro scale, both fire and life create net entropy. The difference is when you zoom in and see either created order or uniform destruction.

Re: Time flies in Google Earth’s biggest update in years

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post #178

What's really striking to me about timelapse videos of the Earth is how, at a grand enough scale, the growth of human settlements on Earth really looks no different than the growth of bacterial and fungal colonies on Petri dishes. We think of ourself as special, as having conquered environments, technology and more - and when zoomed out you could explain everything we've built and accomplished as the achievements of…

What's so fascinating to me about our civilizations that look like fungal colonies on Petri dishes from a cosmic perspective, is that if you zoom in enough you see all sorts of individuals doing and creating all sorts of fascinating things. No one would ever suspect it if they didn't focus in to look. Billions of autonomous individuals, self-aware creating art, innovating technologies, and in general being a fascinat…

Totally agree. The magic of life, and human life in particular, is the local defiance of the second law of thermodynamics.

When you zoom out, the law is the law.

Re: Time flies in Google Earth’s biggest update in years

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post #404

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> If you're calling for action I mean, I guess I am, but really I'm mostly relaying my understanding of the scientific consensus. I didn't make my comment in some sort of vacuum where readers are supposed to understand the last few decades of climate science just from my comment...

I've been reading reports and analysis since the Kyoto Protocols. The most fascinating things since that time is that we (the US) were behind in those requirements but significantly ahead of everyone else. The Paris Agreement is roughly the same so far too. In a situation where "we're behind" and "we're ahead" are both accurate statements point to a significant problem in the approach. You choosing one of them exclus…

I was talking about humanity as a whole, that's the "team" I'm worried about.
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