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Turkey bans use of cryptocurrencies for payments

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Re: Turkey bans use of cryptocurrencies for payments

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Yeah, let's destroy financial systems of governments and substitute it with a system that has 7 tps cap in which the majority of coins belongs to unknown entities (supposedly of criminal origin).

The quality of this comment is not what I'd like to see on this forum. Firstly, do you really have to participate in this derogatory, sarcastic tone? Secondly, transactions per second are cryptocurrency-specific, so your point (about BTC, I presume) is irrelevant. Thirdly, majority of cryptocurrencies belonging to unkowns is fine, what's your point? Lastly, some of those unknowns are criminals: again, what's your poi…

Imagine when he learns the currency that the majority of criminals use ...

I agree with you. Comments like that have such a low intellectual effort that they are mainly noise.

People in stable countries (us, uk, western Europe) don't understand the lack of confidence that citizens of underdeveloped countries have in their own government and financial institutions.

Re: Turkey bans use of cryptocurrencies for payments

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We are already there. Europeans all use Coinbase and other US exchanges. Coinbase alone brought over $80B in market cap to the US. 100 times more than the market cap of Yahoo when it IPOed.

> Europeans all use Coinbase They certainly don't. Coinbase is one of the, if not THE most expensive exchange on the planet. Their infra stack is a disaster, and their feature set, espectially when it comes to transacting with non-US bank is a freaking nightmare. Only the captive US market that can't use EU-based exchanges is forced to use coinbase.

Also, Germany and three other European countries are left out explicitly by their EULA. You can create an account and use it for trading, but this would be against their EULA.

https://www.coinbase.com/places

Re: Turkey bans use of cryptocurrencies for payments

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"The central bank has brought so much lira with its foreign currency reserve to try to maintain the price that it is almost running dry of any foreign currency, making the future look even bleaker." All it needs to do is stop doing that and make it clear to the market that it will no longer do that. That removes the patsy from the market and the currency will find its level. What you have to do is make lira scarce. A…

Using the phrase "Washington Consensus" just indicates you're out of touch and it makes it hard to take any argument you make seriously. The Washington Consensus was on life support by the year 2002 -- that's two decades ago -- and was completely dead by 2008 -- well over a decade ago. Making strawman arguments against things 15 years out of date doesn't make your argument look stronger.

What??

Since when did trade liberalization and legal security for property rights die? Did the world Bank suddenly tell us these things didnt matter after all?

Or, is this a variant of the weird perpetual claim made by dyed-in-the-wool neoliberals that they actually don't exist and never did?

Re: Turkey bans use of cryptocurrencies for payments

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What are some examples of banned items that have good reasons to be banned, in your opinion? (excluding explosives)

smoking in public places. alcohol sold to minors. unlicensed doctors. guns. hard drugs. tanks as private vehicles. old polluting cars. the list is endless.

Hmm... I only agree that two of these should be illegal, which are alcohol sold to minors and tanks as private vehicles. Every other one has many aspects that I don't want a government involved in. But there's a lot to be written about that.

Re: Turkey bans use of cryptocurrencies for payments

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People like her can let custodians like banks store her cryptocurrency.

"custodians like banks" - so a bank then? Until she (eventually) gets all the same protections and benefits she already has from 'regular money' what reason would she (and many others) have to start using 'digital money' instead?

Money that central banks can just print out of thin air with one click is absurd and doesn't even make sense.

The banks can give her those same protections and she will be the last to adopt it. She will hardly notice and just tap her card/phone like always

Re: Turkey bans use of cryptocurrencies for payments

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It hasnt‘t to be banned officially to be banned effectively. - Here in Germany buying and owning crypto currencies is not illegal. But try to transfer only 20k Euros from your bank account to Kraken.com to buy some crypto assets. Then you might get a letter from your bank telling you they just cancelled your bank account, without telling you why. And they will refuse to explain anything. - Trying to get background in…

> eventually we wake up in a pretty darn restrictive world where you can‘t even transfer 10k euros from A to B without having to explain things This is the exact problem cryptocurrencies were invented to solve. We're supposed to be free to spend our money without the indignity of having to explain things to some bank or government. The better the technology, the more tyrannical the government must become to maintain…

So make all of your transactions in Bitcoin and don’t convert to fiat. Problem solved?

Re: Turkey bans use of cryptocurrencies for payments

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Yeah, let's destroy financial systems of governments and substitute it with a system that has 7 tps cap in which the majority of coins belongs to unknown entities (supposedly of criminal origin).

* False on criminal origin majority, majority is non-criminal [1] * roughly false on unknown entities for two reasons. 1) btc is fairly easy to surveil [1], and see Chainalysis 2) logic here doesn’t make sense. Are you saying you know all owners of cash deposits, or just assuming someone does? A lot of folks keep cash “in a mattress.” Is that bad as well, as it’s a mirror of holding crypto? [1] https://decrypt.co/664…

[1] doesn't say anything like that.

Re: Turkey bans use of cryptocurrencies for payments

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This is very misleading. Cryptocurrencies developed on 10+ year old tech, that have stayed in that state throughout may indeed have very poor tps as you state. However, this is absolutely not the majority, as that base tech has iterated both at the base level, and in the application of layers. Typical these days are tps-handling in the 1k's - 10k's, and beyond. This will only keep improving as the technology progress…

Brand loyalty is probably less important than network effects. NewTechCoin may be way better than Bitcoin but nobody's going to buy it until everyone else is buying it.

Well, that's what makes cryptocurrency a worthwhile market for speculation. Many folks look to the "market cap ranking" to see what's hot in the space, and going down the list and positioning yourself in a rank 400 coin - a good one that shows promise as a tech platform, a more efficient coin, a useful financial instrument or whatever - is one of the most straightforward ways to see 1000% returns, because even if it doesn't make it all the way up to the top 10, its valuation can grow faster than the market as a whole. (It can also get hit with huge drawdowns when the bear market hits. It's not all roses...)

While it is the case that most things get priced relative to BTC, and this does have a network effect since you end up exiting to BTC and thus reenforce its price, it's increasingly common to see trading pairs for ETH, LTC, USDC/USDT. There is interest in getting more liquidity into the market and that's a large part of "DeFi". It's not that BTC is self-perpetuating lock-in, it's that they're all growing but everything else is running several years behind, so on a day to day basis BTC still holds relatively more of the market.

Re: Turkey bans use of cryptocurrencies for payments

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> eventually we wake up in a pretty darn restrictive world where you can‘t even transfer 10k euros from A to B without having to explain things This is the exact problem cryptocurrencies were invented to solve. We're supposed to be free to spend our money without the indignity of having to explain things to some bank or government. The better the technology, the more tyrannical the government must become to maintain…

So make all of your transactions in Bitcoin and don’t convert to fiat. Problem solved?

Can I buy food with Bitcoin? Pay my rent? Get clothes for my kids?
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