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“My Octopus Teacher” defied convention

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Re: “My Octopus Teacher” defied convention

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For me the moment the Octopus overcame its outwardly appearance is when she was extending her arms and playing with the school of fish; exactly like a dog (which I can relate about much more easily). I could literally imagine myself in that spot extending my arms to play with the fish in the same way.

If anyone hasn't seen this documentary, I highly recommend it. My kids loved it too.

Re: “My Octopus Teacher” defied convention

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For me the moment the Octopus overcame its outwardly appearance is when she was extending her arms and playing with the school of fish; exactly like a dog (which I can relate about much more easily). I could literally imagine myself in that spot extending my arms to play with the fish in the same way. If anyone hasn't seen this documentary, I highly recommend it. My kids loved it too.

Yeah, that was a really cool scene. It felt like a dog chasing squirrels or a cat batting a string.

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What's weird is that octopuses are not a social species. So it's a bit of a mystery how they evolved so high intelligence without having to outsmart other individuals of their own species constantly.

It's theorethized that they have very rich environments and have to work very hard to hunt and to stay alive as they have no armor.

But the puzzle still remains why their intelligence is similar at all to the one that evolved through forced social interactions.

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post #4

What's weird is that octopuses are not a social species. So it's a bit of a mystery how they evolved so high intelligence without having to outsmart other individuals of their own species constantly. It's theorethized that they have very rich environments and have to work very hard to hunt and to stay alive as they have no armor. But the puzzle still remains why their intelligence is similar at all to the one that ev…

You're correct that they are not social, but they appear social when it suits them:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/shortcuts/2017/sep/1...

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What's weird is that octopuses are not a social species. So it's a bit of a mystery how they evolved so high intelligence without having to outsmart other individuals of their own species constantly. It's theorethized that they have very rich environments and have to work very hard to hunt and to stay alive as they have no armor. But the puzzle still remains why their intelligence is similar at all to the one that ev…

You're correct that they are not social, but they appear social when it suits them: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/shortcuts/2017/sep/1...

I guess we're not so different after all.

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post #4

What's weird is that octopuses are not a social species. So it's a bit of a mystery how they evolved so high intelligence without having to outsmart other individuals of their own species constantly. It's theorethized that they have very rich environments and have to work very hard to hunt and to stay alive as they have no armor. But the puzzle still remains why their intelligence is similar at all to the one that ev…

You're correct that they are not social, but they appear social when it suits them: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/shortcuts/2017/sep/1...

Oh. That might mean that some ancient octopuses that modern smart octopuses all come from might have been social and evolved intelligence modern octopusses inherited.

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> The only thing to add to that, where you have to be slightly careful, is if an animal hasn’t got strong genes. And then you interfere and you allow that animal to procreate. You could potentially be making the gene pool weaker and more susceptible to mange. That’s where you have to be a bit careful.

It's interesting that we can talk about this in such an objective and rational way when it involves non-human animal species, but when it involves humans this statement suddenly becomes extremely controversial.

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post #8

> The only thing to add to that, where you have to be slightly careful, is if an animal hasn’t got strong genes. And then you interfere and you allow that animal to procreate. You could potentially be making the gene pool weaker and more susceptible to mange. That’s where you have to be a bit careful. It's interesting that we can talk about this in such an objective and rational way when it involves non-human animal…

Yea because humans aren't animals. Our behaviors haven't been dominated by our genes for quite some time.
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