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Turkey bans use of cryptocurrencies for payments

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Re: Turkey bans use of cryptocurrencies for payments

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Your transaction isn't settled instantly. The actual money that flows between institutions behind the scenes is way slower than bitcoin. You can use credit/debit card on Bitcoin too, and your payments seem to go through instantly with whatever tps the network supports.

Your transaction isn't settled instantly. The actual money that flows between institutions behind the scenes is way slower than bitcoin. ... and yet the world turns; and credit cards amount to $3tn of payments in the U.S annually. As it turns out, businesses do not actually care about instant settlement of payment transactions that much, what's important is instant authorization .

Bitcoin alone has done more than that per year since since 2018. And there are literally thousands of other projects.

Credit cards are small by comparison.

https://mobile.twitter.com/yassineARK/status/134613927863667...

Re: Turkey bans use of cryptocurrencies for payments

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It hasnt‘t to be banned officially to be banned effectively. - Here in Germany buying and owning crypto currencies is not illegal. But try to transfer only 20k Euros from your bank account to Kraken.com to buy some crypto assets. Then you might get a letter from your bank telling you they just cancelled your bank account, without telling you why. And they will refuse to explain anything. - Trying to get background in…

>Then you might get a letter from your bank telling you they just cancelled your bank account

Time to change bank.

And you're in Europe, which means you should be able to go bank-shopping beyond German borders.

Competition is a good thing, but customers must make use of it.

Re: Turkey bans use of cryptocurrencies for payments

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Yeah, let's destroy financial systems of governments and substitute it with a system that has 7 tps cap in which the majority of coins belongs to unknown entities (supposedly of criminal origin).

The quality of this comment is not what I'd like to see on this forum. Firstly, do you really have to participate in this derogatory, sarcastic tone? Secondly, transactions per second are cryptocurrency-specific, so your point (about BTC, I presume) is irrelevant. Thirdly, majority of cryptocurrencies belonging to unkowns is fine, what's your point? Lastly, some of those unknowns are criminals: again, what's your poi…

> Lastly, some of those unknowns are criminals: again, what's your point?

I think their point is criminals are bad, so anything they use is also bad. Like guns, and drugs, and cars, and food, and beds, and houses, and air. All bad. We shouldn't use those things, and we should ban them at the earliest opportunity.

Re: Turkey bans use of cryptocurrencies for payments

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Shouldn't someone with 20k € go through an otc desk instead of retail markets?

Why should that be necessary? I want to do with my personal money whatever I want.

> I want to do with my personal money whatever I want.

What you want, and what the administration of the Gulag you currently live in are - on average - two very different things.

Re: Turkey bans use of cryptocurrencies for payments

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Another article about cryptocurrencies, another comments thread where I shake my head at the Cryptozealots spouting "It's the solution to everything! Resistance is futile! You will be assimilated!". I read something interesting about this behavior a while ago, if you've put money into crypto, of course you're going to be cheerleading it, nobody puts money in something expecting to lose it (oh wait... I can see the /r…

>To be honest, I like money too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZHCVyllnck

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Re: Turkey bans use of cryptocurrencies for payments

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Whatever naysayers may think, it looks like the "BTC as a store of value" case is pretty strong if even dictatorial govts are feeling the need to act against it (and Turkey isn't the first, see Venezuela and their various attempts at taking BTC down).

"BTC, timeless store of value, as acknowledged by many dictators around the world" (tm)

Re: Turkey bans use of cryptocurrencies for payments

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Sure, but the fact that Turkey is becoming increasingly corrupt isn't really a good argument why it would be a good idea to take away the ability of all central banks to perform monetary policy to stabilize the economy.

When has economic stability ever been a good strategy? Rapid improvement is very unstable. Furthermore, stability and monetary policy seems to involve handouts to wealthy people. While I can certainly benefit from that, I don't see why handouts for wealthy people are a good idea. It looks like a bad idea. People seem to be getting angrier about it as time passes too.

>When has economic stability ever been a good strategy? Rapid improvement is very unstable.

These are two unrelated things. The relative instability of improvement doesn't have much to do with whether or not it's preferable to have a stable economic system.

Economic stability can be good. Rapid Improvement can be good. Rapid improvement can occur in economically stable times.

I seem to remember from studying economics and history that usually, economic instability occurs AFTER rapid improvement, not before or during. This is in part because rapid improvement outpaces regulation and the economy around it, leading to an unstable economic environment rife with opportunity for good and bad actors to make fortunes.

Re: Turkey bans use of cryptocurrencies for payments

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I routinely buy things with fiat that complete in seconds. There's on order of trillions of completed fiat transactions per day. They don't generally take days. Only a tiny, tiny amount of them of a very limited class take days. It's disingenuous to imply all fiat transactions take that long.

Unless you’re paying cash, average final settlement time is ~90 days, in reality. That’s just been abstracted away from the credit card user. Bitcoin settles in 6 blocks (60 mins) Now, on the UX topic, btc has a lot to improve. But I’m always surprised how rapidly people assume their transactions in fiat are settling as a comparative criticism for Bitcoin.

> Unless you’re paying cash, average final settlement time is ~90 days, in reality.

Do you have a source for that? I tried looking and everything I saw is it would take between 24 hours and 3 days on average, for credit cards.

You very well could be right, I'd just like to see something that confirms it, and wasn't able to find anything.

Example source: https://lifehacker.com/this-is-why-your-credit-card-transact...

Re: Turkey bans use of cryptocurrencies for payments

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What are the consequences of being left out? For example, assume that the EU bans crypto, but the US is fine with it. The US will then continue developing solution with and for it, eventually building the next big thing, revolutionizing a market. Wouldn't that then place the EU in a position of a consumer until they can then catch up eventually, if that would even be possible?

We are already there. Europeans all use Coinbase and other US exchanges. Coinbase alone brought over $80B in market cap to the US. 100 times more than the market cap of Yahoo when it IPOed.

> Europeans all use Coinbase

They certainly don't.

Coinbase is one of the, if not THE most expensive exchange on the planet.

Their infra stack is a disaster, and their feature set, espectially when it comes to transacting with non-US bank is a freaking nightmare.

Only the captive US market that can't use EU-based exchanges is forced to use coinbase.

Re: Turkey bans use of cryptocurrencies for payments

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Turkey isn't in the EU and hopefully it never will be.

Hopefully Turkey joins the EU as by then it will have become a democratic and financially stable country.

> Hopefully Turkey joins the EU

Once they understand the notion of separation of church and state at a cultural level, that may become a possibility again.

This will likely be a very long while though.

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