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Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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zepto wrote: post #276
zepto wrote: post #275

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> It's important to remain objective in these discussions and not assign personal motivations. Do you claim to be objective? > Not really, the ultimate force is community goodwill and Doing the Right Thing. Apple could choose to satisfy unhappy developers and users by allowing more consumer choice. Even if the case was to be thrown out today and regulators to all look elsewhere, this groundswell of grassroots dissati…

Also - it seems worth following up on this: >> Are you saying you weren’t familiar with Epic’s case? > Epic's case is irrelevant to the larger debate at hand. They are not the only ones who want Apple to open up their platform, and not everyone who wants them to cares for third party stores to be "first-class App Store alternatives." You are arguing against a strawman if you insist that Epic's demands be the only met…

I don't know of the specifics of Epic's case to that there's this pedantic distinction of "first-class vs. non-first class" third party App Store alternatives. So I suppose I lied about knowing about the case, because I am clearly ignorant of its specifics. Which reinforces my point that Epic is irrelevant to this discussion, because I don't care about the details of what they're arguing for, merely the principle that "Apple should open up and allow third party app stores."

So yes, perhaps I lied, but you are wrong about what lie, because I honestly do not care about Epic to examine their case in detail, merely that they escalated the debate about Apple's openness into the realm of legal scrutiny. If I was wrong in claiming that "no one is arguing for this" and I was wrong because Epic is in fact doing so, and then you accuse me of lying of being aware of the existence of Epic's lawsuit but not of its specifics, then call me a liar for all of the good it does to your position.

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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ehsankia wrote: post #266
Apocryphon wrote: post #147

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Looking at the Android model, despite its greater openness than iOS, there is also only one dominant app market with a handful of third part competitors, from well-curated open source repos like F-Droid or XDA Labs to OEM third party ones that no one actually uses or wants to use like the Amazon Appstore or Samsung AppStack. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Android_app_stores Really hard to say what would happen…

> Maybe the overwhelming majority of users will continue to download only on the App Store, with a tiny minority of power users going to alternatives. That's absolutely what will happen, there's no evidence of otherwise. But this is all beside the point. The argument is, if there existed a app store that was as large as Play Store / iOS store, it would have similar moderation issues. The old headline implies that the…

True, fair enough. Makes me wonder if there's any corporate will towards tackling the moderation problem, either from these giants or from startups. It's a very difficult social problem.

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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Post by jhanschoo »

skinnymuch wrote: post #279
jhanschoo wrote: post #262

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You're right ( https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/21/epic-games-launches-fortni... ), I suppose that they evaluated those 18 months and judged that it wasn't as profitable not being on the Play store. But ISPs still deliver apps through their app stores, and whole segments of big players also successfully distribute outside of it, out of necessity: adult content and the Chinese ecosystem. Note that the DMM example I cite…

What or how are adult sites distributing successfully? I think the biggest paid sites have apps. But I’ve never personally heard of any one using any porn tube site app or anything. Browsers are used. I’m genuinely curious. I have no clue.

In Japan, DMM is a very diversified company (it runs a very well known hackerspace, for example), and a very profitable business comes from mobile-oriented games. Many of the erotic mobile-oriented games have a web browser version or PC version, and the more recent ones have native apps as well. In addition some have a censored version as well sharing the same account.

The app store is just called DMM Games store [0], since it distributes both its age-unrestricted games as well as games under its adult imprint (Fanza) via it.

With videos, since stores of videos are allowed on the play store, you instead have the situation that the DMM videos app is available on Android and iPhone, and the Fanza imprint is separately downloadable on Android [1, nsfw, needs vpn]

[0]: http://www.dmm.com/netgame/app/appstore/guide.html

[1]: https://www.dmm.co.jp/digital/android_intro/index.html

Re: A top-grossing scam on the App Store

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Post by skinnymuch »

jhanschoo wrote: post #284
skinnymuch wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What or how are adult sites distributing successfully? I think the biggest paid sites have apps. But I’ve never personally heard of any one using any porn tube site app or anything. Browsers are used. I’m genuinely curious. I have no clue.

In Japan, DMM is a very diversified company (it runs a very well known hackerspace, for example), and a very profitable business comes from mobile-oriented games. Many of the erotic mobile-oriented games have a web browser version or PC version, and the more recent ones have native apps as well. In addition some have a censored version as well sharing the same account. The app store is just called DMM Games store [0]…

Thanks for this! I had no idea about any of this
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