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Re: Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Post by imwillofficial » Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 4:37 AM UTC

cratermoon wrote: post #3

encryptluks2 wrote: post #2

How does it benefit website owners to opt out?

Let me turn the question around: to what extent are website owners who do not opt out accomplices with Google in the privacy violations implicit in their creepy surveillance profiling tech?

accomplices invokes images of people “in” on the conspiracy. In my rough estimation based on nothing, I’d guess most website owners have no idea this is an issue that needs fixing. Your rhetoric is inflammatory, inaccurate, and does your side of the argument harm by making the whole argument look absurd.

Re: Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Post by encryptluks2 » Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 4:39 AM UTC

cratermoon wrote: post #3

encryptluks2 wrote: post #2

How does it benefit website owners to opt out?

Let me turn the question around: to what extent are website owners who do not opt out accomplices with Google in the privacy violations implicit in their creepy surveillance profiling tech?

Let's rephrase that... to what extent are website owners who do not opt accomplices with Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Amazon, etc. Please also note that Firefox enables multiple telemetry features by default, such as safe browsing lists that checks links you visit presumably also tracking your URLs in the process.

Re: Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Post by encryptluks2 » Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 4:40 AM UTC

supernovae wrote: post #6

encryptluks2 wrote: post #2

How does it benefit website owners to opt out?

It's tech that only benefits Google.

How does not opting out as a website owner benefit Google?

Re: Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Post by encryptluks2 » Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 4:41 AM UTC

dcow wrote: post #4

encryptluks2 wrote: post #2

How does it benefit website owners to opt out?

Presumably things that promote a healthy internet also benefit website owners since their sites exist on the internet.

Does Firefox sending URLs you visit to a an external service not constitute as unhealthy?

Re: Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Post by dannyw » Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 4:42 AM UTC

Let me get this straight: even if my site has no ads or trackers, Chrome will now use my visitors data for advertising and surveillance???

Does anyone else see FLoC as worse than the current state we're in?

Re: Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Post by dcow » Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 4:44 AM UTC

encryptluks2 wrote: post #14

dcow wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably things that promote a healthy internet also benefit website owners since their sites exist on the internet.

Does Firefox sending URLs you visit to a an external service not constitute as unhealthy?

You can opt out of that (or is it opt in now), too.

Re: Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Post by encryptluks2 » Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 4:46 AM UTC

dcow wrote: post #16

encryptluks2 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does Firefox sending URLs you visit to a an external service not constitute as unhealthy?

You can opt out of that (or is it opt in now), too.

You can opt out with Chromium too

Re: Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Post by _underfl0w_ » Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 4:51 AM UTC

encryptluks2 wrote: post #14

dcow wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably things that promote a healthy internet also benefit website owners since their sites exist on the internet.

Does Firefox sending URLs you visit to a an external service not constitute as unhealthy?

"What about $otherthing?"

Neither is good, but that doesn't necessarily make the topic you're attempting to pivot to relevant in this situation.

Also, Cloudflare (provider of the external service you mention, assuming you're talking about DNS-over-HTTPS) definitely isn't Google. At least not yet.

Re: Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Post by _underfl0w_ » Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 4:52 AM UTC

encryptluks2 wrote: post #13

supernovae wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's tech that only benefits Google.

How does not opting out as a website owner benefit Google?

Please read TFA. It answers this question.

Re: Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Post by PradeetPatel » Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 4:58 AM UTC

cratermoon wrote: post #3

encryptluks2 wrote: post #2

How does it benefit website owners to opt out?

Let me turn the question around: to what extent are website owners who do not opt out accomplices with Google in the privacy violations implicit in their creepy surveillance profiling tech?

I often think of it as: As a website owner, will partnering with Google - a market leader in the advertisement space have a direct negative impact on me and my stakeholders?

If not, it has been observed that there's very little incentive to communicate that change through.

As much as I'd like to believe that altruism will win in the end, it has been established that ultimately the capacity to gain materialistic advantages can often triumph over individual's judgements.