I wish there was a nodejs equivalent to Laravel
I'd take a look at Nest.
Nest.js is more like Angular
PHP in 2021
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Re: PHP in 2021
#72Before you call me a troll, know that I worked with PHP for two+ years maintaining both legacy codebases and writing new code with Laravel. My question is: why would anyone want to start something new with PHP in 2021? Is there anything that it does better than any other language/ecosystem? I feel like the community is full of (but not exclusively composed of—there are some gems like Caleb Porzio who write good stuff…
PHP is often a good business decision because there is no shortage of affordable devs to help manage the code. If you're building a small, low-margin business, it may be the best choice. I hate writing PHP btw.
Re: PHP in 2021
#73Before you call me a troll, know that I worked with PHP for two+ years maintaining both legacy codebases and writing new code with Laravel. My question is: why would anyone want to start something new with PHP in 2021? Is there anything that it does better than any other language/ecosystem? I feel like the community is full of (but not exclusively composed of—there are some gems like Caleb Porzio who write good stuff…
> My question is: why would anyone want to start something new with PHP in 2021?
Same reason as any, familiarity. Not all people, even in software, enjoy learning new stuff.
PHP might be the only language they ever learned and it has paid their bills for over a decade. No point in learning anything new unless it's absolutely required.
As long as major pieces of software are written in PHP, those people will have a steady job.
Re: PHP in 2021
#74Before you call me a troll, know that I worked with PHP for two+ years maintaining both legacy codebases and writing new code with Laravel. My question is: why would anyone want to start something new with PHP in 2021? Is there anything that it does better than any other language/ecosystem? I feel like the community is full of (but not exclusively composed of—there are some gems like Caleb Porzio who write good stuff…
The first comment in this thread already answered your question.
>I would say that Laravel is an extremely high quality framework (on par with and even in some ways better than Rails) that nobody should be ashamed to use.
And add to that PHP both a language and its VM get way more improvement than Ruby.
Re: PHP in 2021
#75Before you call me a troll, know that I worked with PHP for two+ years maintaining both legacy codebases and writing new code with Laravel. My question is: why would anyone want to start something new with PHP in 2021? Is there anything that it does better than any other language/ecosystem? I feel like the community is full of (but not exclusively composed of—there are some gems like Caleb Porzio who write good stuff…
> My question is: why would anyone want to start something new with PHP in 2021? Is there anything that it does better than any other language/ecosystem?
Well, on Twitter the other day, I asked, only partly tongue-in-cheek:
> Even in 2021, any new server-side web app with even a vain hope of being installed by people who are tech savvy but not modern web nerds should probably still be written in PHP. True or false?
The "false" responses cited things like "it doesn’t matter what you write it in as long as it runs cleanly in a Docker container" and "Node is widespread enough I think it goes beyond 'modern web nerd' at this point," and they might be right -- but I'm not certain they are.
So, I guess I'd suggest that maybe the answer to your first question ("why start something new with PHP in 2021") doesn't actually depend on getting an unqualified "yes" answer to your second question ("is there anything it does better"). If I was starting a project that I wanted to have installed by the kinds of people who will not use the word "deploy" instead of "install," if you take my meaning, then I'd at least seriously entertain whether it should be in PHP.
Now, for the kinds of projects I think get talked about on HN (e.g., actual paid jobs), this is more of a fair question. I appreciate Laravel and Symfony, but PHP in 2021 has traded the feeling of being a cargo cult version of Perl for the feeling of being a cargo cult version of Java. If I do write a new project in PHP, it's probably not going to be with any existing framework, because even the lightest one feels like endless mazes of "get a Request object from a RequestFactory by instantiating a dependency injection container and passing it to a RequestFactoryFactory".
Re: PHP in 2021
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#77PHP has been in a pretty good place since 7, IMO. These are some great developments. I would say that Laravel is an extremely high quality framework (on par with and even in some ways better than Rails) that nobody should be ashamed to use. It's unfortunate that the stink of old PHP is so powerful and that salaries are still lagging so far behind.
That's because the "stink of old PHP" never really went away. For example, Wordpress install guide [0] still talks about making your code directory writtable by web user -- practically guaranteed that any minute exploit will lead to permanent web shell. So does Nextcloud install guide [1]. I am sure there are nice, modernPHP somewhere, but a lot of time you I see old-style programs with horrible security practices. […
Not just writeable by web user. The page here[1] suggests making files and folders world writeable all over the place (to be fair, followed by disclaimers.. but still).
>If you use Permalinks you should also change permissions of .htaccess to make sure that WordPress can update it when you change settings such as adding a new page, redirect, category, etc.. which requires updating the .htaccess file when mod_rewrite Permalinks are being used.
Go to the main directory of WordPress
Enter chmod -v 666 .htaccess
1: https://wordpress.org/support/article/changing-file-permissi...
Re: PHP in 2021
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
With Hack's extensive static type checking and even contexts / coeffects, it's much more than just performance. The bigger your system grows, the more pain it removes. You still can mix it with plain PHP, much like you can mix TypeScript with plain JavaScript. I wish high-profile PHP projects, like Nextcloud, migrated to Hack eventually; it can be done piecemeal.
Ironically, Nextcloud is moving to Golang. https://github.com/nextcloud/server/issues/16726
In fact, if you read the discussion, you'll find there are no plans of moving from PHP at all. Nextcloud is not moving to Go.
Re: PHP in 2021
#79PHP has been in a pretty good place since 7, IMO. These are some great developments. I would say that Laravel is an extremely high quality framework (on par with and even in some ways better than Rails) that nobody should be ashamed to use. It's unfortunate that the stink of old PHP is so powerful and that salaries are still lagging so far behind.
I liked Symfony but becoming a “PHP guy” looks like a terrible career move still. Also not a huge fan of the one data structure being both a dictionary and an array.
What stack do you recommend?
Node/JS or GoLang or React, Java?
Re: PHP in 2021
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I would say that Laravel is an extremely high quality framework (on par with and even in some ways better than Rails) that nobody should be ashamed to use. Never heard of Laravel. Decided to take a look. First thing the intro documentation says to do is install something called 'Docker Desktop'. I'm good, thanks. Why do I need Docker to play around with a web framework?
Because getting a modern version of PHP, postgres, and redis up and running isn’t necessarily easy for your average beginner.
Redis and postgres are an apt install away. I can't imagine redis would throw you. Postgres use to require using a separate user to login through the shell.