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Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

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Re: Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

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Post by tabbott »

unclekev wrote: post #13
schoolornot wrote: post #3

Will this bridge be be open source?

No > The bridge itself is not going to drop into the open-source Matrix code any time soon. Hodgson explained: "This is an entirely new bridge that we've built as Element exclusively for Element Matrix Services, which is the SaaS hosting platform we provide in order to keep the lights on for Matrix development and for Element in general. > "We are taking the position that people who are rich enough to buy into Team's…

Interesting, I hadn't appreciated that Matrix was switching from fully open source to an open core model.

Re: Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

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Post by thekyle »

tabbott wrote: post #21
unclekev wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No > The bridge itself is not going to drop into the open-source Matrix code any time soon. Hodgson explained: "This is an entirely new bridge that we've built as Element exclusively for Element Matrix Services, which is the SaaS hosting platform we provide in order to keep the lights on for Matrix development and for Element in general. > "We are taking the position that people who are rich enough to buy into Team's…

Interesting, I hadn't appreciated that Matrix was switching from fully open source to an open core model.

I'm not sure if I would go so far as to say this is an open core model. This is more like someone developing a proprietary WordPress plug-in, but WordPress itself is completely FOSS.

Re: Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

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Post by deadbunny »

Does video/voice work? Can you screen share? Can I share files?

All these bridges seem fine for basic text but modern chat programs do a lot more these days and I personally can't see the point without 1:1 feature parity.

This seems doubly true for a service like Teams versus something like Discord where Teams is going to be installed and configured by a central IT team for all users.

I know a lot of this falls on companies building their own proprietary, non-interoperable messaging platforms and this is an effort to unify them and I don't mean to shit on those efforts but it just seems like it's a lot of effort for becoming a third class citizen when interfacing with those platforms.

Re: Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

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Post by ntw1103 »

tabbott wrote: post #21
unclekev wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No > The bridge itself is not going to drop into the open-source Matrix code any time soon. Hodgson explained: "This is an entirely new bridge that we've built as Element exclusively for Element Matrix Services, which is the SaaS hosting platform we provide in order to keep the lights on for Matrix development and for Element in general. > "We are taking the position that people who are rich enough to buy into Team's…

Interesting, I hadn't appreciated that Matrix was switching from fully open source to an open core model.

I didn't really think about it like that, though i guess accurate. Matrix, the spec is open, and synapse the server is open. anyone can make a bridge, they are pluggable, and the author can choose their license. I guess you could call Matrix+spec the core.

Re: Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

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Post by baby »

ssivark wrote: post #20
unclekev wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No > The bridge itself is not going to drop into the open-source Matrix code any time soon. Hodgson explained: "This is an entirely new bridge that we've built as Element exclusively for Element Matrix Services, which is the SaaS hosting platform we provide in order to keep the lights on for Matrix development and for Element in general. > "We are taking the position that people who are rich enough to buy into Team's…

Can’t fault them for it, but it does feel a touch petty — falling below the high standard that Matrix has implicitly led us to expect.

How so?

Re: Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

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Post by anonymfus »

deadbunny wrote: post #23

Does video/voice work? Can you screen share? Can I share files? All these bridges seem fine for basic text but modern chat programs do a lot more these days and I personally can't see the point without 1:1 feature parity. This seems doubly true for a service like Teams versus something like Discord where Teams is going to be installed and configured by a central IT team for all users. I know a lot of this falls on co…

> Does video/voice work?

The blog post says:

> Microsoft Teams Bridging supports both group and individual messaging, as well as voice and video conferences.

Re: Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

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Post by ashton314 »

Recently had to start using MS Teams at work. What a terrible UX: truncated message widths, even for code. No syntax highlighting, markdown-ish syntax only works when you type it in their little editor—when you paste it in it doesn't format, isn't smart enough to auto-start a new message when I start typing, hides bottom of message—even when there's only one line left, etc. Just a bunch of little stupid things that add up to one, in the immortal words of Strong Bad, suckquake of a user experience.

In short, I would have loved to have the option of using Element to chat with my team instead of MS Teams. Thank you for making this!

Re: Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

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Post by ssivark »

baby wrote: post #25
ssivark wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can’t fault them for it, but it does feel a touch petty — falling below the high standard that Matrix has implicitly led us to expect.

How so?

Why not open source this bridge too, like everything else in the Matrix ecosystem?

Re: Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

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Post by chrisweekly »

ashton314 wrote: post #27

Recently had to start using MS Teams at work. What a terrible UX: truncated message widths, even for code. No syntax highlighting, markdown-ish syntax only works when you type it in their little editor—when you paste it in it doesn't format, isn't smart enough to auto-start a new message when I start typing, hides bottom of message—even when there's only one line left, etc. Just a bunch of little stupid things that a…

Yeah, it's astonishing how bad Teams is.

Re: Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

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Post by vlmutolo »

tabbott wrote: post #21
unclekev wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No > The bridge itself is not going to drop into the open-source Matrix code any time soon. Hodgson explained: "This is an entirely new bridge that we've built as Element exclusively for Element Matrix Services, which is the SaaS hosting platform we provide in order to keep the lights on for Matrix development and for Element in general. > "We are taking the position that people who are rich enough to buy into Team's…

Interesting, I hadn't appreciated that Matrix was switching from fully open source to an open core model.

I think that's a mischaracterization of what's happening.

Matrix the protocol is fully open source. Element the matrix client is fully open source. Synapse the matrix server is fully open source. Dendrite, the next generation matrix server, is fully open source.

All of these are developed by the New Vector team. The only thing here that isn't open source is an external bridge to microsoft teams, a platform that itself is already closed source.

In this case, "open core" would probably look like the Matrix team closing the Element client and Dendrite homeserver, and then extending them with closed matrix event types.

Honestly, they could probably pull it off, but I doubt they want to go that route. They've been dedicated to federation since the beginning.

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