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Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

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Re: Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

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Post by gerdesj »

crocodiletears wrote: post #6

Does Matrix have decent mod features yet? I want to take people off Discord, but user-friendly role creation/assignment, moderation tools, and granular permissions are a must before that'll be possible.

Matrix is a protocol, Discord is a system. For want of better terms. Perhaps you could compare git with Github or Gitlab. Matrix might be able to fulfil your requirements but you don't state them.

Why not start with: "I need a communication system for my organisation that satisfies the following criteria and I accept that there is no ideal and I am willing to reform my requirements as I evaluate the options available"

  * End to end encrypted
    * Check up on governance: Local requirements
  * Media
    * Text
    * Voice
    * Video (plus voice)
  * Supports emoji
etc, etc.

What do you really want and are you prepared to put some real work in to actually evaluate some possibilities? If not, then stick with Discord. It probably won't kick your kitten but it now belongs to Microsoft who also own LinkedIn and sadly themselves.

Re: Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

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Post by ognarb »

superkuh wrote: post #10
viraptor wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you got more details on this? Why do you think matrix users are annoying on IRC bridges?

If a matrix user tries to write something too long for matrix+bridge to handle it will instead just paste a link to a website that shows the users text. Only the link to this web text clip will be sent to IRC. If a matrix user responds to someone their matrix client + bridge will inline copy the previous lines and send it to IRC with their response. Basically, the matrix bridge is extremely spammy even with normal be…

Afaik there is an option to break messages into multiple parts but it's not enabled by default because it breaks sending code samples

Re: Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

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Post by unclekev »

schoolornot wrote: post #3

Will this bridge be be open source?

No

> The bridge itself is not going to drop into the open-source Matrix code any time soon. Hodgson explained: "This is an entirely new bridge that we've built as Element exclusively for Element Matrix Services, which is the SaaS hosting platform we provide in order to keep the lights on for Matrix development and for Element in general.

> "We are taking the position that people who are rich enough to buy into Team's ecosystem and throw lots of money to Microsoft might as well throw a little bit of money to Element to keep funding Matrix development."

Re: Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

#15

Post by rectang »

superkuh wrote: post #10
viraptor wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you got more details on this? Why do you think matrix users are annoying on IRC bridges?

If a matrix user tries to write something too long for matrix+bridge to handle it will instead just paste a link to a website that shows the users text. Only the link to this web text clip will be sent to IRC. If a matrix user responds to someone their matrix client + bridge will inline copy the previous lines and send it to IRC with their response. Basically, the matrix bridge is extremely spammy even with normal be…

Are these behaviors set in stone, or might the Matrix-IRC bridge be changed?

Re: Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

#16

Post by jclulow »

ognarb wrote: post #12
superkuh wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a matrix user tries to write something too long for matrix+bridge to handle it will instead just paste a link to a website that shows the users text. Only the link to this web text clip will be sent to IRC. If a matrix user responds to someone their matrix client + bridge will inline copy the previous lines and send it to IRC with their response. Basically, the matrix bridge is extremely spammy even with normal be…

Afaik there is an option to break messages into multiple parts but it's not enabled by default because it breaks sending code samples

Yeah honestly I prefer the "automatic pastebin" behaviour, because the alternative is that walls of pasted text end up destroying channels. The Matrix bridge is mostly just doing what we ask regular IRC users to do; viz., use a pastebin for large content.

Re: Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

#17

Post by crocodiletears »

gerdesj wrote: post #11
crocodiletears wrote: post #6

Does Matrix have decent mod features yet? I want to take people off Discord, but user-friendly role creation/assignment, moderation tools, and granular permissions are a must before that'll be possible.

Matrix is a protocol, Discord is a system. For want of better terms. Perhaps you could compare git with Github or Gitlab. Matrix might be able to fulfil your requirements but you don't state them. Why not start with: "I need a communication system for my organisation that satisfies the following criteria and I accept that there is no ideal and I am willing to reform my requirements as I evaluate the options available…

I've evaluated Rocket Chat, Mattermost, Zulip, and Element+Synapse at various points over the last year and a half. That included compilation and deployment on AWS instances. I've done leg-work.

Matrix's official server and client are often touted as a competitor to other team and community-oriented chat platforms by its proponents. As a signal competitor it's solid enough, but in the community space it fails to be competitive.

I'm really hoping to see Matrix mature more, and codify moderation apis in order to keep the protocol client/server agnostic for all standard use-cases.

The Matrix documentation itself admits that the community-management portion of the standard is underspecified.

https://matrix.org/docs/guides/moderation/#removing-users-ro...

Re: Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

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Post by jakecopp »

rectang wrote: post #15
superkuh wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a matrix user tries to write something too long for matrix+bridge to handle it will instead just paste a link to a website that shows the users text. Only the link to this web text clip will be sent to IRC. If a matrix user responds to someone their matrix client + bridge will inline copy the previous lines and send it to IRC with their response. Basically, the matrix bridge is extremely spammy even with normal be…

Are these behaviors set in stone, or might the Matrix-IRC bridge be changed?

It looks like they could be fixed as the bridge code is open source. For example here is an issue around messages being split incorrectly: https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/issues/1...

Re: Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

#19

Post by Karrot_Kream »

imwillofficial wrote: post #4

This is potential huge. I hope it works more seamlessly than the Element/IRC bridge, which is a hot pile of garbage and almost got me kicked off an IRC channel due to the formatting issues that the Element bridge introduces. Best of luck to them!

Meh.

While bridging to IRC does make you a guest, the amount of hand-wringing IRC people do about differences in formatting always felt disproportionate to me, especially in that IRC doesn't actually have an officially sanctioned experience. It's fine to DM a password to a Nickserv and set esoteric channel modes, but apparently looking bad to irssi/erc/BitchX/WeeChat users is a big no.

The long message -> file behavior is a bit silly and understandably annoying, especially in a help channel, but the amount of complaints I've seen of people not following 's highlight pattern is just silly. People get uppity because you appended the IRC network's friendly name in parens to their actual name? Oh no!

Re: Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

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Post by ssivark »

unclekev wrote: post #13
schoolornot wrote: post #3

Will this bridge be be open source?

No > The bridge itself is not going to drop into the open-source Matrix code any time soon. Hodgson explained: "This is an entirely new bridge that we've built as Element exclusively for Element Matrix Services, which is the SaaS hosting platform we provide in order to keep the lights on for Matrix development and for Element in general. > "We are taking the position that people who are rich enough to buy into Team's…

Can’t fault them for it, but it does feel a touch petty — falling below the high standard that Matrix has implicitly led us to expect.
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