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I think #1 is a signal of a failure in the online retail space. As a customer other than reading the (often gamed) reviews on amazon and watching youtube reviewers how do you know what to buy? Buying a bunch of options and returning them starts to look like a legitimate strategy. For some products (for me it tends to be laptops) you really do not know if you like it until you have your hands on the physical product.
I agree. I myself have noticed how bad all reviews have gotten. For example, I bought an S20 FE last year, and it had a horrible touch screen. Almost EVERYONE who bought one said the same thing and complained. I can think of zero 'reviewers' who even mentioned it. I would be supremely angry if it were a $1200 device with no return policy. I don't really know what the solution is. I think a phone rental business could…
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One of my friends works at Costco. He says that before the holidays they sell a lot of furniture and after the holidays they see a lot of furniture returns.
But wouldn't that be expected? More people buying (because they think they need it, as they're going to cook a lot), would mean, even if the return percentage is the same, more people returning. Add to that the people who realize what a waste of an investment that was after the holiday spree is over, you can explain it a bit more. But of course, it's impossible to tell surely without data. Going back to gut feelings:…
It's gonna be impossible to concretely discern intent from the data you could get, but it's pretty obvious there's _some_ abuse. The only question is where you draw the line on abuse and how much.
January at our store was a rush of returns of opened and used Christmas decorations because "I decided I don't want it anymore." Often times from people that had done the same thing year after year. We'll never know what those people really intended when they bought it in the fall, but you'd have to be pretty damn charitable to assume the best of intent in all the cases. Especially when it was people doing it multiple years in a row.
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Again, you keep referencing links that have nothing to do with the issue at hand. - In a recent Florida case , a Miami socialite, Meghana Rajadhyaksha, was found guilty for purchasing over $130k in designer purses from retail giant TJ MAXX and also purchasing similar knock-offs from Amazon where she swapped the designer tags out and returned the Amazon knock-offs to TJ MAXX to receive a full refund. I agree this is f…
I quoted you like 7 sources. (I editted it afterwords, sorry) Read them again. There are multiple sources, that I quoted, that literally say that it is illegal. They use the words illegal to describe wardrobing. > Now, please stop calling me a criminal. Well the sources say that you are a criminal. One specifically said "It's technically illegal" > We simply agree to disagree, No. The lawyers say that you are wrong.…
Although wardrobing is, arguably, unethical, there are no statutes or case law that specifically render it illegal. Whether wardrobing should even be considered an abuse of retail policies would depend on the retailers’ specific return policies. Some retailers welcome returns of clothing in any condition, therefore, one can hardly argue that the return of any item, in any condition is an abuse of that policy.
We can sit here and cite sources all day at each other, or you can find a case of someone being prosecuted for wardrobing. Once you do, I would be more than happy to listen and to change my mind on the issue.
In case it helps, I currently live in Seattle, and the story I related in my original comment happened in Boston, I believe. I'm also about to be moving back to Missouri. (You seem to be focusing on Florida for some reason, so I thought I'd give you a few trails to follow.)
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And everywhere in EU sellers have to accept a return within 14 days for any online purchases, for any reason. And no, they can't charge a restocking fee. You can only be asked to pay for the postage back. And in general, the responsibility for the goods is always with the seller first, manufacturer second. If your laptop breaks and the seller says "oh the manufacturer declined warranty" then sorry, tough luck, it's t…
Aren’t the customers who don’t return their purchases subsidizing the cost of the ones who do? I’d much prefer to pay a restocking fee (or to have more stringent return policies) if it meant I could pay a little less up front.
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I quoted you like 7 sources. (I editted it afterwords, sorry) Read them again. There are multiple sources, that I quoted, that literally say that it is illegal. They use the words illegal to describe wardrobing. > Now, please stop calling me a criminal. Well the sources say that you are a criminal. One specifically said "It's technically illegal" > We simply agree to disagree, No. The lawyers say that you are wrong.…
I reject your sources and substitute my own: http://fashionlawwiki.pbworks.com/w/page/11611271/Wardrobing... Although wardrobing is, arguably, unethical, there are no statutes or case law that specifically render it illegal. Whether wardrobing should even be considered an abuse of retail policies would depend on the retailers’ specific return policies. Some retailers welcome returns of clothing in any condition, ther…
So you don't care about what actual legal firms say?
I am giving you links to actual law firms!
You can't just say "well these 7 legal experts are wrong" and expect to be taken seriously.
> We can sit here and cite sources
Wtf dude. Sources and the legal experts and lawyers know more about this than you do.
If a bunch of law firms say that it is illegal, then clearly it is illegal in some places.
So, that means that we can call it fraud, because it is illegal is some places.
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#277Apple had a lot of trouble with the Indian market back the early 2010s. They had to pull AppleCare+ out of the country because people were abusing it a lot. [†] Same goes for the country's biggest online retailers, both Amazon and Flipkart also switched to a replacement-only policy in India. "Most analysts agree that many many buyers were abusing the company's refund policy. With many buying latest smartphones, and r…
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As status symbols. Many people also abuse return policies to buy expensive cameras, use them to shoot nice pictures on vacation and then sending them back. They can still keep the pictures, so the camera lost its value for them.
If I were to wager as to the single most common type of fraud of this type, I would guess it is women "buying" a dress with the intent to wear it once and return it. This is also why the terms on rental cars can get very specific.
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As a non-Indian, my impression (after hearing something like that multiple times about Indians) is that people in India may be raised to be more apt to over-use a system (and even abuse it), but it's not unique to them. Every country has people who do it far too much, and everyone does it to some extent. So don't feel so bad. Also, these kinds of things are usually a trade off. Your culture has a lot of beautiful thi…
Thank you for the thoughtful answer. I am not unaware of my first impulse towards anger. I have hurt a lot of people with my angry outbursts. Some of them are in their after lives and I hope my sorry reaches them. I was also drunk when I wrote my original message. I have been drinking since 8 am since my wife left for work. I also need to get my drinking problem in order.
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I reject your sources and substitute my own: http://fashionlawwiki.pbworks.com/w/page/11611271/Wardrobing... Although wardrobing is, arguably, unethical, there are no statutes or case law that specifically render it illegal. Whether wardrobing should even be considered an abuse of retail policies would depend on the retailers’ specific return policies. Some retailers welcome returns of clothing in any condition, ther…
> I reject your sources So you don't care about what actual legal firms say? I am giving you links to actual law firms! You can't just say "well these 7 legal experts are wrong" and expect to be taken seriously. > We can sit here and cite sources Wtf dude. Sources and the legal experts and lawyers know more about this than you do. If a bunch of law firms say that it is illegal, then clearly it is illegal in some plac…
(Once more, I gave you information about (a) where I live, and therefore where the relevant laws are, and (b) pointed out that there are many, many citations saying that Wardrobing is an asshole move (as I said) but not illegal. That is my basis for rejecting your claims. It's not impossible to search the case law for someone being prosecuted for Wardrobing, and I encourage you to do so; if you find someone who has been convicted under any state law, I would be genuinely interested in hearing about it, since that would likely change my mind. Irrelevant sources, however, won't.)