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Re: Canadian government proposes website-blocking system for piracy websites

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Post by drummer » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 6:47 PM UTC

sleepysysadmin wrote: post #28

This will do little to nothing to piracy. Commercial copyright infringement is already a crime and police can shutdown piracy websites in Canada. Isohunt guy cant attest to that. Meanwhile big entities like pornhub(Canadian org) regularly has copyright infringed content and the government does nothing about that. Piracy as a reason is a complete lie. This is about far more about political censorship in Canada. This i…

Piracy, tairrists, pedos, fake news, money laundering etc. Etc. One or multiple always picked as needed to get the sheep on board.

Re: Canadian government proposes website-blocking system for piracy websites

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Post by theluketaylor » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 6:51 PM UTC

gruez wrote: post #21

beiller wrote: post #15

A friend of mine (Canadian) uses piracy sites a lot for one reason: all the content they are interested in is geofenced to USA and completely unavailable in the country (Hulu)

>all the content they are interested in is geofenced to USA and completely unavailable in the country (Hulu) Like what? I saw a comment[1] a few days ago saying something to this effect, but someone replied pointing out it was available, just not in a manner that OP was satisfied with. FWIW I checked a hulu original that I recently watched, and it was available in canada under disney+. [1] https://news.ycombinator.co…

Disney+ having Hulu content in Canada is only a month or 2 old. Being region locked out of content in Canada has been the norm for many, many years. What has been extremely common is one of the big telcos (Bell in particular) buying the Canadian rights and then either locking it to cable without a streaming option or using their own streaming options that have horrific apps and experiences. In the last year or so it has gotten a lot better, but people still have a lot of scars from getting hosed by telcos.

Re: Canadian government proposes website-blocking system for piracy websites

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Post by LinuxBender » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 7:05 PM UTC

neither_color wrote: post #13

foolzcrow wrote: post #2

You must be joking. It will take about 5 minutes for technology to render this obsolete. Authoritarians always use innocuous sounding reasons to implement censorship. It starts with pirates, then onto dissenters.

China's great firewall got us shadowsocks and v2ray. Shadowsocks is interesting because, if I understand it correctly, its obfuscation (plugin?) method makes the firewall think I'm browsing github or some other innocuous website I set. I wonder what new advancements in censorship circumvention we'll get when the western firewalls go up. Never mind overt talks of combatting piracy or protecting children or whatnot. Th…

Is shadowsocks still actively maintained? Last I saw their repo was abandoned, but maybe someone forked it and I missed it.

Re: Canadian government proposes website-blocking system for piracy websites

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Post by noeltrotsky » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 8:21 PM UTC

loceng wrote: post #19

cashewchoo wrote: post #8

Where does the article mention a website-blocking system? I'm curious as to the technical details. I'm sure it'll work this time. "For Canada to have an innovative and flourishing digital economy, we must protect copyright online" Hrmph. Citation required. Anyway, I'm not sure why businesses are so concerned about copyright still. Maybe this is specific to Canada? But country-specific things aside: * The DMCA already…

I can't wait until competent leadership who actually understand business, who are actual entrepreneurs, get into positions of power - like Andrew Yang with his policies. I keep saying this: I believe piracy is a valid counterweight mechanism to the capitalistic for-profit system that would milk society dry/fleece us year round until we die from the elements: charging us more than is reasonable so we'll so FU and pira…

I sure didn't expect an Andrew Yang commercial in comments on a Canadian government internet story!

Re: Canadian government proposes website-blocking system for piracy websites

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Post by stackedinserter » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 9:24 PM UTC

katbyte wrote: post #67

DC1350 wrote: post #24

Another screw up! The best thing that could ever happen in my life would be the Canadian government collapsing and the country getting annexed by the USA. Such an evil country. It’s so embarrassing to live here.

Speak for yourself that would be the worst thing to happen to this country, and I don’t know anyone who would rather live in America. I like my healthcare. Do tell, why is it an evil country and why is it embarrassing?

Healthcare in Canada is mediocre at most. Every single time me or my family need it, it's either a few months in waiting lists or "take Tylenol" treatment after few hours in ER.

And it gets worse every year - right now it's a real problem to find a pediatrician or a family doctor in my area.

I don't understand why Canadians are so obsessed with it and bring it up every time what someone dares to criticize their country.

> I don’t know anyone who would rather live in America

Hey, you do live in America :-)

Re: Canadian government proposes website-blocking system for piracy websites

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Post by bthazos » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 9:47 PM UTC

II2II wrote: post #30

FractalParadigm wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> * Steam has already shown how to "best" piracy to the extent that a business can. It's not via copyright laws. Everyone thought rampant piracy would mean Steam won't work in Russia. That aged well. What's ironic to me is that, movie piracy was steadily falling and effectively dead after Netflix launched their streaming-video platform, very similar to how video game piracy started to taper off as Steam gained tracti…

> I agree that the quasi-monopolies of early Netflix or Steam through most of it's history are arguably bad, but the irony is that they're the most consumer-friendly ways to distribute media while effectively curbing piracy. I doubt that would remain the case indefinitely. There would be too much temptation to increase revenues once they were established. Perhaps the question should be: what would the market look lik…

This is where government could perform a useful function. Content creators selling to the government and the government reselling full access of all that content to distributors is a realtopian dream of mine. It seems win-win all around to me. Consumers could go with the provider that has their favorite interface/content/price, creators would have a choice to sell to the govt and receive full draconian protection or sell on the open market and forgo legal protection of their works, and govt could feel good about running such a snappy program that serves all its citizens.

Re: Canadian government proposes website-blocking system for piracy websites

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Post by 908B64B197 » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 11:47 PM UTC

codeecan wrote: post #22

People should understand, Canada's heritage minister (Guilbeault) has been trying to implement an online blocking system for a while now. The current government (Liberals) have shut down parliament, during covid, only to prevent investigations into their WE charity corruption. When a 3rd party candidate Maxime Bernier attempted his own party ... the media by law had to give him equal air time, but his reach was censo…

Wasn't Trudeau extremely pro-Castro? Calling him a "great man that did a lot for his country?" [0]

Such admiration for a warlord dictator who didn't hesitate to kill his political opponents, seize their properties, and much worse [1] sure should make citizens uneasy up there.

[0] https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/27/world/justin-trudeau-castro-e...

[1] https://www.therichest.com/shocking/the-15-worst-atrocities-...

Re: Canadian government proposes website-blocking system for piracy websites

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Post by 908B64B197 » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 11:49 PM UTC

thinkingkong wrote: post #5

None of this documnent proposes anything other than an RFP for input on how Canadian content and north american copyright may be addressed. Companies or individuals will likely propose blocking but this is a far cry from even any drafted legislation. The worrying part is bundling canadian content rules along intermediary access to potentially copyright infringing material. That part is peculiar, seeing as theyre tota…

Why even set a quota on entertainment?

Movies and Music is a billion dollar profits industry, just look at how much Marvel and Disney made from Avengers and Star Wars. Why not simply make content that people want to consume?

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Post by katbyte » Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 6:58 PM UTC

stackedinserter wrote: post #85

katbyte wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speak for yourself that would be the worst thing to happen to this country, and I don’t know anyone who would rather live in America. I like my healthcare. Do tell, why is it an evil country and why is it embarrassing?

Healthcare in Canada is mediocre at most. Every single time me or my family need it, it's either a few months in waiting lists or "take Tylenol" treatment after few hours in ER. And it gets worse every year - right now it's a real problem to find a pediatrician or a family doctor in my area. I don't understand why Canadians are so obsessed with it and bring it up every time what someone dares to criticize their count…

because we all get it regardless of income or job, and we don't' go bankrupt because of medical issues, nor are we locked into poorly paid shitty jobs because we NEED healthcare. When i hurt myself i just go, i don't sit there thinking about "is the co pay worth it" - American healthcare is worse than ours for most people: https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2...

I'm sorry your family hasn't gotten the care it deserves, but would you rather end up with a 100,000 bill, or your child dead because they didn't have insurance and couldn't afford their insulin?

I don't have to think about it, i just go and use it. Yes it could be better but would you want to pay more taxes to fund it better? (i know is sure would)

Re: Canadian government proposes website-blocking system for piracy websites

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Post by katbyte » Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 7:01 PM UTC

thinkloop wrote: post #76

katbyte wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you kidding? Piracy has never been easier lol, gb internet and torrents for every popular show and movie on public trackers. The pirate bay is still around and going strong. I just don’t want my Goverment to waste money trying to stop the internet stoppable

It's a lot simpler than that. If one team has to pay artists, and another team does not, ceterus paribus the second team will win. Only by constraining the second team does the first team have a chance to play. If government didn't "waste" money constraining pirates then pirates will necessarily have an outsized presence in the space given their unfair advantage.

silly. spotify killed music piracy not any government. Steam killed game piracy not any government. Netflix had killed movie piracy but with all streaming services making it annoying again piracy is back - despite all their efforts. notice how the government fails to move the needle at all?