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Ask HN: My startup has more annual subscribers than monthly. What to make of it?

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Re: Ask HN: My startup has more annual subscribers than monthly. What to make of it?

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Where are your customers in the world? Many non-US countries have little/no credit card presence, so if you don't have an international-friendly payment option like PayPal your customers may be using "gift card credit cards" purchased from a store. It's easier to do this once a year than once a month. Ultimately though, talk to your users! That's how you'll find out.

> Many non-US countries have little/no credit card presence

Was that statement accidental horrible wording or did you actually mean it ?

If the latter, then you must be one of those many Americans that needs to travel more. The rest of the world are not neanderthals who've never heard of credit cards.

Go to Kenya (Africa) and the only reason you might struggle to pay by credit card is if the merchant has decided to prefer payments via the M-PESA money transfer phone app instead which is what most of the locals use. So you could say a number of non-US countries are even ahead of the US !

But of course I hope your wording was accidental, in which case I apologise for the three paragraphs above. ;-)

Re: Ask HN: My startup has more annual subscribers than monthly. What to make of it?

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If it's not broken don't fix it. I would focus on the top of your funnel to increase sales.

Also, you want to have more annual subscribers than monthly. It's almost certainly more profitable. You're essentially giving up 1/6 of revenue in exchange for guaranteed 0% monthly churn. A simple estimate of what your breakeven monthly retention is: 98.5% = (5/6)^(1/12). So if you're losing less than 1.5% of your customers monthly then this would be unprofitable.

Re: Ask HN: My startup has more annual subscribers than monthly. What to make of it?

#13
personally I think it causes the least amount of bad will if you leave the existing plans at $10*X/year for the people that are grandfathered into those contracts. If you increase the price only on new signups you will keep your happy customers... this goes well with an email that says something like "we are raising the yearly fee on the SAAS however the good news is that you're grandfathered into your current pricing for as long as you maintain your subscription"

Re: Ask HN: My startup has more annual subscribers than monthly. What to make of it?

#14
Here's my two cents.. I would first off send your customers a survey about where they find value and why they picked yearly over monthly.

Next - I would not increase prices. I would add value, and increase pricing on that. Add more features, and add another pricing tier that people can find valuable with these new features.

Continue to do that until you have multiple pricing tiers; (if you don't already). Then add value into those tiers and increase cost to reflect that extra value add as needed.

Re: Ask HN: My startup has more annual subscribers than monthly. What to make of it?

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Is there a community aspect to your site?

    the typical two-months-free-if-you-pay-annual thing 
    you see everywhere
Anecdotal, but --

When I ran a dating/social site back in the ancient mists of time, it was $4/month or $20/year.

So, more like seven-months-free-if-you-pay-annual. I felt it was successful at driving people towards the annual subscription. Since the annual subscription was such an obviously "better" deal.

In my case I was actively trying to encourage the network effect. I wanted long term community members, not monthly ones. After all, when paying for a site like that, you're really paying for access to the community.

Is there a value to having your customers around longer-term? Community aspects? Promotional aspects? ("40,000 active subscribers for $PRODUCT_NAME!") For many businesses perhaps the answer is "no" but it's worth considering perhaps.

Re: Ask HN: My startup has more annual subscribers than monthly. What to make of it?

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Personally I hate monthly payments for things. If it is something I'm going to use I may as well get a bit of a discount and not have yet another payment coming out of my account each month.

Additionally I'm in the UK, so this won't apply everywhere. Some (Many?) bank accounts charge a flat fee on top of the currency conversion rate - again a reason to make just one payment a year.

Re: Ask HN: My startup has more annual subscribers than monthly. What to make of it?

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17% off is a very good deal for the consumer when prepaying a year. Always remember the axiom that a sale happens when you sell something the other party wants at a price you both believe is fair.

Whatever you do, be careful not to add or modify plans in a way that would lose existing paying customers. As the other saying goes, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. An existing customer is worth a lot more than a prospective customer.

There are lots of changes you could make, but you may want to ask your existing customers first as to why they made the choice they made. Ask them how you can improve their existing service. That will go a long way to inform your future decisions.

Re: Ask HN: My startup has more annual subscribers than monthly. What to make of it?

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Where are your customers in the world? Many non-US countries have little/no credit card presence, so if you don't have an international-friendly payment option like PayPal your customers may be using "gift card credit cards" purchased from a store. It's easier to do this once a year than once a month. Ultimately though, talk to your users! That's how you'll find out.

> Many non-US countries have little/no credit card presence Was that statement accidental horrible wording or did you actually mean it ? If the latter, then you must be one of those many Americans that needs to travel more. The rest of the world are not neanderthals who've never heard of credit cards. Go to Kenya (Africa) and the only reason you might struggle to pay by credit card is if the merchant has decided to p…

In Germany for example, a lot of people have no credit card.
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