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Canadian government proposes website-blocking system for piracy websites

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Re: Canadian government proposes website-blocking system for piracy websites

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Where does the article mention a website-blocking system? I'm curious as to the technical details. I'm sure it'll work this time. "For Canada to have an innovative and flourishing digital economy, we must protect copyright online" Hrmph. Citation required. Anyway, I'm not sure why businesses are so concerned about copyright still. Maybe this is specific to Canada? But country-specific things aside: * The DMCA already…

> * Steam has already shown how to "best" piracy to the extent that a business can. It's not via copyright laws. Everyone thought rampant piracy would mean Steam won't work in Russia. That aged well. What's ironic to me is that, movie piracy was steadily falling and effectively dead after Netflix launched their streaming-video platform, very similar to how video game piracy started to taper off as Steam gained tracti…

The problem is that Hollywood doesn't understand "commoditize your complement."

Having more than one streaming service isn't a big problem, assuming they're priced reasonably. Going from one service with everything for $15 to ten services with a tenth of everything for $15 each isn't really that, but that's not the root of it.

Their problem is that people are going to want a single interface to view everything through. If you actually subscribe to three different services, you want to turn on your TV and see everything available to you.

The companies in the best position to do this are the likes of Google, Apple, Sony, Microsoft. Hollywood isn't too stupid to realize the dangers of that, but they're missing the obvious solution to it.

Publish a standard streaming API, so that anybody can make a streaming client, the same as anybody could make a VCR. Then the dominant consumer of the API won't be a big monopolistic corporation that will then be able to use its power against the movie producers, it will be a zillion different companies selling dirt cheap HDMI dongles with WiFi who each individually has no power at all. They'll all end up running whatever open source software somebody publishes to consolidate all the different services into one interface, which Hollywood could then improve themselves the same as any other open source project. It competitively atomizes a third party middle man that they don't want.

But it's basically the opposite of DRM. Security through clarity -- make everything open so nobody powerful can insert themselves between you and the viewer. Because big tech companies are more of a threat to them than The Pirate Bay. And they have to realize that before they're willing to do it.

Re: Canadian government proposes website-blocking system for piracy websites

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People should understand, Canada's heritage minister (Guilbeault) has been trying to implement an online blocking system for a while now. The current government (Liberals) have shut down parliament, during covid, only to prevent investigations into their WE charity corruption. When a 3rd party candidate Maxime Bernier attempted his own party ... the media by law had to give him equal air time, but his reach was censo…

Seems like you're making a big leap from copyright enforcement.

Re: Canadian government proposes website-blocking system for piracy websites

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Where does the article mention a website-blocking system? I'm curious as to the technical details. I'm sure it'll work this time. "For Canada to have an innovative and flourishing digital economy, we must protect copyright online" Hrmph. Citation required. Anyway, I'm not sure why businesses are so concerned about copyright still. Maybe this is specific to Canada? But country-specific things aside: * The DMCA already…

> But country-specific things aside: * The DMCA already makes it easy enough to...

DMCA is a country-specific thing. Moreover, it is specific to a country the article is not about.

Re: Canadian government proposes website-blocking system for piracy websites

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post #23

Where does the article mention a website-blocking system? I'm curious as to the technical details. I'm sure it'll work this time. "For Canada to have an innovative and flourishing digital economy, we must protect copyright online" Hrmph. Citation required. Anyway, I'm not sure why businesses are so concerned about copyright still. Maybe this is specific to Canada? But country-specific things aside: * The DMCA already…

> The DMCA already makes it easy enough to keep things like KickAssTorrents offline, which was honestly the closest I've seen to a good tracker going mainstream. The DMCA is an American law, which does not apply in Canada or much of the rest of the world.

Yeah, in practice.

Re: Canadian government proposes website-blocking system for piracy websites

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If anyone would have something knowledgeable and useful to say on this topic, it would be Michael Geist, who studies technology and Canadian law.

I've no idea if anything has changed in the last month, but here's what he wrote on the topic most recently: https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2021/03/blocking-is-back/

Re: Canadian government proposes website-blocking system for piracy websites

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post #19

Where does the article mention a website-blocking system? I'm curious as to the technical details. I'm sure it'll work this time. "For Canada to have an innovative and flourishing digital economy, we must protect copyright online" Hrmph. Citation required. Anyway, I'm not sure why businesses are so concerned about copyright still. Maybe this is specific to Canada? But country-specific things aside: * The DMCA already…

I can't wait until competent leadership who actually understand business, who are actual entrepreneurs, get into positions of power - like Andrew Yang with his policies. I keep saying this: I believe piracy is a valid counterweight mechanism to the capitalistic for-profit system that would milk society dry/fleece us year round until we die from the elements: charging us more than is reasonable so we'll so FU and pira…

Translated: I can't afford X so it's OK to steal it, because corporations are evil for being for-profit. Got it.

re UBI: you don't have to wait to see how 'well' would UBI work in practice - ask anyone from any European countries about their Roma population and how effectively they use the 'subsidies' (not the right word, but I can't recall the right one) from government. So many enterpreneurs and artists ... (/s just in case)

Re: Canadian government proposes website-blocking system for piracy websites

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> * Steam has already shown how to "best" piracy to the extent that a business can. It's not via copyright laws. Everyone thought rampant piracy would mean Steam won't work in Russia. That aged well. What's ironic to me is that, movie piracy was steadily falling and effectively dead after Netflix launched their streaming-video platform, very similar to how video game piracy started to taper off as Steam gained tracti…

The problem is that Hollywood doesn't understand "commoditize your complement." Having more than one streaming service isn't a big problem, assuming they're priced reasonably. Going from one service with everything for $15 to ten services with a tenth of everything for $15 each isn't really that, but that's not the root of it. Their problem is that people are going to want a single interface to view everything throug…

> Their problem is that people are going to want a single interface to view everything through.

I mostly agree with this. I know you're talking about a single streaming service, but just to expand your point, for me, my single interface is Roku. From it I can access Netflix, HBO, Amazon, Hulu, and a ton of others - all with the same remote on the same TV. One of my favorite permaculture Youtubers even has his own Roku app/channel. I've been looking into creating my own Roku app and the process doesn't seem overly burdensome. You need video content, an HLS or MPEG-DASH streaming webserver (I'll use nginx and HLS), some json, and maybe something minor I can't remember now.

But I like your idea of a standard streaming API. If it actually happened the resulting ecosystem would be awesome.

Re: Canadian government proposes website-blocking system for piracy websites

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post #33

Where does the article mention a website-blocking system? I'm curious as to the technical details. I'm sure it'll work this time. "For Canada to have an innovative and flourishing digital economy, we must protect copyright online" Hrmph. Citation required. Anyway, I'm not sure why businesses are so concerned about copyright still. Maybe this is specific to Canada? But country-specific things aside: * The DMCA already…

> But country-specific things aside: * The DMCA already makes it easy enough to... DMCA is a country-specific thing. Moreover, it is specific to a country the article is not about.

The DMCA is like the EU's GDPR: a law specific to affected countries, that nevertheless affects the entire world.

In the GDPR's case, that's because every company wants to be able to have European customers.

But in the US's case, it's because Internet commerce and ad-tech companies mostly exist within the US, and so you can't have a profitable torrent tracker / pirate-TV streaming site / etc. because — if the DMCA says you're not to be traded with — then you won't be able to get these US businesses to place ads on your site, or engage with US payment processors, etc.

And sure, anyone could run a perfectly robust torrent tracker over Tor, that nobody could take down through DMCAing the DNS provider et al. But, without a large accessible market of people visiting to show ads, there'd be no economic incentive to do so — so nobody bothers.

Re: Canadian government proposes website-blocking system for piracy websites

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post #32

People should understand, Canada's heritage minister (Guilbeault) has been trying to implement an online blocking system for a while now. The current government (Liberals) have shut down parliament, during covid, only to prevent investigations into their WE charity corruption. When a 3rd party candidate Maxime Bernier attempted his own party ... the media by law had to give him equal air time, but his reach was censo…

Seems like you're making a big leap from copyright enforcement.

I don't reckon he is honestly, deindexing and blocking piracy sites is just another facet of the same censorious tendencies.
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