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There’s Nothing to Do Except Gamble

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Re: There’s Nothing to Do Except Gamble

#11
>If crisis had opened the door to a new way of thinking about money, the checks closed the door on the old: Gone was an understanding of money as a scarce, quasi-natural resource to be managed disinterestedly by apolitical experts. The question was: What was replacing it? Would MMT’s chartalist view of money as a tool of state power prevail? (The undeniable success of the pandemic cash drop seemed to be a point in its favor.) Or could the crypto-millenarians’ anarchic vision of money backed by cybermetal take the upper hand? (Cryptocurrency had a boom year, perhaps driven by the existential fear that accompanies a global pandemic.) Maybe the Marxists would finally figure out how to abolish the value form? (Don’t hold your breath.)

This is bollocks. Money will always be scarce, by design. Look at all the ppl struggling to get by even in spite of these stimulus checks, who lost their jobs or businesses due to Covid and still have not be rehired. The money that the fed is creating is not the type of money that individuals exchange with, which also explains the low inflation.

Rather, what everyone got wrong is, the experts, pundits, etc. in 2008, and now in 2020-2021 thought that all of this printing would cause inflation to surge, but CPI just refuses to budge much. This is due to many factors, such as America's growing economic dominance, which has widened since 2008 and even more so since Covid.

Re: There’s Nothing to Do Except Gamble

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still have gold and prefer cash for purchasing daily items. The money seems real, swiping cards or phone financial transfers lack a physical reality and my brain has less friction with digital transfers, thus I avoid them out of financial prudence.

Have you noticed how your cash is buying fewer items than it did a ~year ago? My daily item costs are WAY up, which is really just saying the value of the cash is WAY down.

Yes, inflation is real, and since I’m on a fixed income I noticed that despite cutting out luxuries and limiting meat purchases, my groovy bill went up and I still lost weight.

Re: There’s Nothing to Do Except Gamble

#13
post #4

Zero mention of the recent unprecedented fiat currency printing we've seen, nor the fact that every time since the Tang Dynasty when we have done this, it has led to very troubling times 12-18 months later. Everyone is gambling even if they dont know Crypto exists.

then how come the US economy boomed after 2009 in spite of unprecedented stimulus and other programs. Not saying that the programs caused the expansion, but it did not seem to hurt it either. Everyone who said that the printing would cause inflation, a repeat crisis, recession, or other problems, were wrong.

Re: There’s Nothing to Do Except Gamble

#15
Is it better to live in a world where the future is unknown, and the best we can do is guess where value will be, or one where the future is known, and the prices of all investments are stable and already priced at their exact values? In which world is optimism and class mobility possible?

Re: There’s Nothing to Do Except Gamble

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still have gold and prefer cash for purchasing daily items. The money seems real, swiping cards or phone financial transfers lack a physical reality and my brain has less friction with digital transfers, thus I avoid them out of financial prudence.

Have you noticed how your cash is buying fewer items than it did a ~year ago? My daily item costs are WAY up, which is really just saying the value of the cash is WAY down.

Honestly, no, I haven't. My groceries are the same. My electric bill is stable. The watch I'm replacing today is the same price today as ten years ago when I got its predecessor.

I don't know if it's because I buy different things from you, or if I live in a different place from you, or what. But my andecdote is that no, I'm not paying more for stuff than a year ago.

Re: There’s Nothing to Do Except Gamble

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post #4

Zero mention of the recent unprecedented fiat currency printing we've seen, nor the fact that every time since the Tang Dynasty when we have done this, it has led to very troubling times 12-18 months later. Everyone is gambling even if they dont know Crypto exists.

then how come the US economy boomed after 2009 in spite of unprecedented stimulus and other programs. Not saying that the programs caused the expansion, but it did not seem to hurt it either. Everyone who said that the printing would cause inflation, a repeat crisis, recession, or other problems, were wrong.

It boomed according to certain metrics but fewer people could afford housing and transportation so I'm not sure I agree.

Re: There’s Nothing to Do Except Gamble

#19
post #8

Money is stored wealth, the ability to buy goods and services in the future. The problem seems to be that we live in a time of societal upheaval. The future of stored wealth becomes cloudier and more uncertain the further you go out in time. So, what is the best place to store wealth? Will my wealth be eroded by inflation? Will the companies I invest in become obsolete by technology or market-manipulating nation stat…

Assets are less ephemeral stored wealth. Money facilitates transactions, but it is not a factor of production, it is not a consumption good, and it is not backed up by any of these things, so it is a very nebulous type of wealth.

Re: There’s Nothing to Do Except Gamble

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post #17
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you noticed how your cash is buying fewer items than it did a ~year ago? My daily item costs are WAY up, which is really just saying the value of the cash is WAY down.

Honestly, no, I haven't. My groceries are the same. My electric bill is stable. The watch I'm replacing today is the same price today as ten years ago when I got its predecessor. I don't know if it's because I buy different things from you, or if I live in a different place from you, or what. But my andecdote is that no, I'm not paying more for stuff than a year ago.

Odd that some people don’t notice things like this... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrinkflation

Do you actually track spending or just don’t notice?

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