Berlin rent cap overturned by Germany's top court

Post by hef19898 » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 9:08 AM UTC

nicbou wrote: post #94

hef19898 wrote: post #84

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And a job in these cities usually pays the rent. Unless, of course, you work blue collar at smaller companies. Or are a long time resident. Then it sucks. That being said, I'd say the situation sucks especially for older folks not owning their apartments. The generally higher educated post 1980 generation has it comparatively good. I just take issue with such general blatant statements, things are never that simple.

It's the jobs that support the locals that don't pay enough. While the skilled workers might be able to afford the local rent, other residents progressively get pushed out.

Post by nicbou » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 9:09 AM UTC

rndgermandude wrote: post #67

daptaq wrote: post #13

Will this affect people who have started living in Berlin under the rent cap-system? I hope they won't have to move out all of a sudden, facing sudden, higher rents.

It will affect them. The court overturning the cap means that renters will have to pay whatever they agreed to in their rental contracts, even if much higher than what they had to pay when the cap was active. Even worse, the landlords may request you pay back the difference you "saved" between the time the cap came into effect and now. If you entered a new renting agreement post cap, the landlord might have kind of w…

Post by southerntofu » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 9:10 AM UTC

adrianN wrote: post #11

I wish Berlin would just build more housing instead. For example when I cross the street there is a supermarket. It's a single story building with a huge parking lot around it. Why not make it a multistory building with apartments on top of the supermarket and skip the parking space or put it underground? Why does the city give out building permits for such buildings? There could easily be room for thirty families on…

Post by mschuster91 » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 9:11 AM UTC

adrianN wrote: post #109

mschuster91 wrote: post #79

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> Please no suburban sprawl while Berlin still has such low density compared to other cities A city should be worth it to live in and provide enjoyment for the citizens, not be a glorified chicken coop for people.

That is EXACTLY what you get by building dense housing. You leave room for the important things that a city offers: services, events, jobs, greenery all in walkable or bikeable distance. Otoh sprawl development leads to dead neighborhoods, car dependence and long commutes. It also uses space that could be left to nature instead.

Post by pharmakom » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 9:11 AM UTC

southerntofu wrote: post #115

adrianN wrote: post #11

I wish Berlin would just build more housing instead. For example when I cross the street there is a supermarket. It's a single story building with a huge parking lot around it. Why not make it a multistory building with apartments on top of the supermarket and skip the parking space or put it underground? Why does the city give out building permits for such buildings? There could easily be room for thirty families on…

Why build more? There's plenty of abandoned/empty housing everywhere in big cities? Unfortunately i don't speak german so i can't give you stats about Berlin, but in Paris alone it's >200 000 empty housing units according to official statistics. Building more is definitely the wrong solution to housing. Just remove the capitalist vampire landlords making a profit on basic human needs, and let everybody enjoy free hou…