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Europe eyes strict rules for artificial intelligence

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Re: Europe eyes strict rules for artificial intelligence

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That’s because people live in communities and families, even in the US. People are not just economic optimising units.

Right everyone who moved to SF obviously optimized for family and quality of life.

Did they actually have another choice though? Or perhaps all other business sectors are choked and on life support?

Re: Europe eyes strict rules for artificial intelligence

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They could. But there are also large potential benefits from state funded basic science, which all of these startups depend on, incidentally. Musk, Bezos et al are doing cool stuff, but they are basically parasitic on a system which provides the people and conditions in which they can operate.

That's unrelated to the fact that we are better off having these projects than not. As for being 'parasitic', that goes both ways. Taxes are not a voluntary system, and much of the resources extracted are wasted and/or used to enrich rent-seeking insiders who are close to the government.

Voluntary or not, at least anyone has a degree of control over what governments do... Though that has slipped way too much in places. Almost nobody has any control over billionaires, not even legislature apparently, much less taxpayers.

Re: Europe eyes strict rules for artificial intelligence

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I think it's going to be hard to create regulations for an industry that largely doesn't exist yet, without strangling it at birth. The rules don't really make much sense either: > Social scoring systems, such as those launched in China that track the trustworthiness of people and businesses, are classified as "contravening the Union values" and are going to be banned. Does this mean stuff like Yelp reviews will be b…

Since yelp and Amazon reviews are known to be mostly fake anyway, it might be a good idea to stop them. People can just go back to purchasing a testing magazine and reading the tests.

Re: Europe eyes strict rules for artificial intelligence

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Europe is going to need to cut itself off from the rest of the world if it really wants a market with much stricter rules than its global competitors. It already has totally asymmetric relationships with its trading partners, where Europe sells mostly luxury goods which can easily be boycotted. Germany, of all countries, is unwilling to acknowledge a genocide to protect their auto industry. It wont be a total segrega…

> Germany, of all countries, is unwilling to acknowledge a genocide genocide to protect their auto industry You mean the Herero? What does that have to do with auto industry? (I'm really asking, this was the first result I found)

Probably he is referring to a situation in China.

Re: Europe eyes strict rules for artificial intelligence

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Sounds good. Respect for employment standards and the environment with fewer billionaires’ vanity projects. Sign me up.

It's trivial to move to EU but I don't see US tech people actually taking advantage of that, even though large proportion in theory supports EU style policies.

Of course there is the issue of learning and functioning in Italian or Spanish or German or French to stir in to the challenge of relocation. Also, Brazil and Angola have many of the values that the right wing of the tech community espouse, but they aren't moving either.

Re: Europe eyes strict rules for artificial intelligence

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Europe has long demonstrated that it's uninterested in competing in the economy of the 21st century. This is exactly in keeping with everything else they've done.

I think we just don't like the spotlight that much.

In the US, the basic approach is to talk about all the great stuff that your company is doing. In Europe, many suppliers are happy to white-label, if you pay for it.

So when you read from an international company bragging about "their" new products without mentioning employees, chances are that they just licensed it from an outside contractor. There's lots of small high-tech contracting firms all over Europe. It's just that they don't want the (potentially negative) attention that comes with being famous.

Re: Europe eyes strict rules for artificial intelligence

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>The proposal also wants to prohibit AI systems that cause harm to people by manipulating their behavior, opinions or decisions; exploit or target people's vulnerabilities; and for mass surveillance. >But the rules carve out an exception allowing authorities to use the tech if they're fighting serious crime Wow, if I haven't heard this "proposal" format before in dystopian book or real-world cases... I'd say it miss…

The exception should be gone, as it is literally empowering government . We do not have such exception in GDPR, and neither should we for police systems. If the statistical or AI system makes a serious mistake in this area, consequences are even more disastrous. Their usefulness is dubious anyway.

> We do not have such exception in GDPR

We do in fact have an exception in the GDPR for specific agencies involved in fighting serious crime. You may look at the specific text for that here: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL...

Re: Europe eyes strict rules for artificial intelligence

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It's trivial to move to EU but I don't see US tech people actually taking advantage of that, even though large proportion in theory supports EU style policies.

Of course there is the issue of learning and functioning in Italian or Spanish or German or French to stir in to the challenge of relocation. Also, Brazil and Angola have many of the values that the right wing of the tech community espouse, but they aren't moving either.

Biggest tech labor importer is Ireland the wages are way higher than Italy, Spain or Germany.

Re: Europe eyes strict rules for artificial intelligence

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I think is a good start to define what should and what should not allowed to protect privacy and data of the citizen. Especially after what happened in ex EU country UK with Cambridge Analytica.

Social scoring systems, biometric data surveillance, data aggregation for behavior predictions are actual problem with the management of our data. But citizens are not informed enough on whats is happening really fast with AI, smart cities, and always-connected devices.

Ps > Eric Schmidt, Google's former chief and chair of the U.S. National Security Commission

Fortunately we're not countries that are so money-run that nominated into Security Commission of A.I. a chief of the largest data company in the world.

> Europe's strategy won't be successful, as it is "simply not big enough" to compete.

Compete with who? Is about preserving the privacy of citizens and not let big corps steal and aggregate all your data for profit without any control

Re: Europe eyes strict rules for artificial intelligence

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Sounds good. Respect for employment standards and the environment with fewer billionaires’ vanity projects. Sign me up.

It's trivial to move to EU but I don't see US tech people actually taking advantage of that, even though large proportion in theory supports EU style policies.

It's not just about tech people. A laissez faire approach to tech regulation is great for transferring wealth to tech entrepreneurs from everyone else. Of course if you are on the winning side of that equation you would be happy to stay inside that system, but that doesn't mean it's not a net drain on society.
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