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Europe eyes strict rules for artificial intelligence

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Re: Europe eyes strict rules for artificial intelligence

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Post by NalNezumi »

>The proposal also wants to prohibit AI systems that cause harm to people by manipulating their behavior, opinions or decisions; exploit or target people's vulnerabilities; and for mass surveillance.

>But the rules carve out an exception allowing authorities to use the tech if they're fighting serious crime

Wow, if I haven't heard this "proposal" format before in dystopian book or real-world cases...

I'd say it miss the mark completely considering the problem whatever lax definition of "AI" we use today is that the advancements and benefits seems to be concentrating mostly on big tech. For China, you can add "Big Gov" on that list. And now EU want to add another asterisk in their rule-book allowing big Gov to enter that list. Seems like a poor proposal made to target Sci-fi "Black mirror" rather than reality, and failing while at it.

Re: Europe eyes strict rules for artificial intelligence

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Post by patates »

0xfaded wrote: post #3

Europe is going to need to cut itself off from the rest of the world if it really wants a market with much stricter rules than its global competitors. It already has totally asymmetric relationships with its trading partners, where Europe sells mostly luxury goods which can easily be boycotted. Germany, of all countries, is unwilling to acknowledge a genocide to protect their auto industry. It wont be a total segrega…

> Germany, of all countries, is unwilling to acknowledge a genocide genocide to protect their auto industry

You mean the Herero? What does that have to do with auto industry? (I'm really asking, this was the first result I found)

Re: Europe eyes strict rules for artificial intelligence

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Post by CryptoPunk »

GDPR is already damaging European scientific research production:

https://sciencebusiness.net/news/data-protections-rules-harm...

>“GDPR rules have stalled or derailed at least 40 cancer studies funded by the US National Institutes of Health (NIH)”

>“5,000 international health projects were affected by GDPR requirements in 2019 alone”

I suspect this will similarly have significant negative unintended consequences.

Re: Europe eyes strict rules for artificial intelligence

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Post by CryptoPunk »

bigfudge wrote: post #4
0xfaded wrote: post #3

Europe is going to need to cut itself off from the rest of the world if it really wants a market with much stricter rules than its global competitors. It already has totally asymmetric relationships with its trading partners, where Europe sells mostly luxury goods which can easily be boycotted. Germany, of all countries, is unwilling to acknowledge a genocide to protect their auto industry. It wont be a total segrega…

Sounds good. Respect for employment standards and the environment with fewer billionaires’ vanity projects. Sign me up.

These vanity projects hold the potential to massively improve quality of life for people across the world. Look at the Starlink high-speed satellite internet network, and what that can do for internet access.

Energy generation could also become massively cleaner and more affordable with advances in reusable rockets, as space-based solar power generation affordable.

Re: Europe eyes strict rules for artificial intelligence

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Post by qaq »

bigfudge wrote: post #4
0xfaded wrote: post #3

Europe is going to need to cut itself off from the rest of the world if it really wants a market with much stricter rules than its global competitors. It already has totally asymmetric relationships with its trading partners, where Europe sells mostly luxury goods which can easily be boycotted. Germany, of all countries, is unwilling to acknowledge a genocide to protect their auto industry. It wont be a total segrega…

Sounds good. Respect for employment standards and the environment with fewer billionaires’ vanity projects. Sign me up.

It's trivial to move to EU but I don't see US tech people actually taking advantage of that, even though large proportion in theory supports EU style policies.

Re: Europe eyes strict rules for artificial intelligence

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Post by AstralStorm »

CryptoPunk wrote: post #13

GDPR is already damaging European scientific research production: https://sciencebusiness.net/news/data-protections-rules-harm... >“GDPR rules have stalled or derailed at least 40 cancer studies funded by the US National Institutes of Health (NIH)” >“5,000 international health projects were affected by GDPR requirements in 2019 alone” I suspect this will similarly have significant negative unintended consequences.

Significant negative? Proper consent paper trail is derailment now?

Someone unable to handle consent forms should not be anywhere near medicine.

Perhaps someone should reevaluate how things are ran. Wild west ended with company towns and literal slaughter. Perhaps that is a good thing to avoid.

Re: Europe eyes strict rules for artificial intelligence

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Post by bigfudge »

qaq wrote: post #16
bigfudge wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds good. Respect for employment standards and the environment with fewer billionaires’ vanity projects. Sign me up.

It's trivial to move to EU but I don't see US tech people actually taking advantage of that, even though large proportion in theory supports EU style policies.

That’s because people live in communities and families, even in the US. People are not just economic optimising units.

Re: Europe eyes strict rules for artificial intelligence

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Post by CryptoPunk »

AstralStorm wrote: post #17
CryptoPunk wrote: post #13

GDPR is already damaging European scientific research production: https://sciencebusiness.net/news/data-protections-rules-harm... >“GDPR rules have stalled or derailed at least 40 cancer studies funded by the US National Institutes of Health (NIH)” >“5,000 international health projects were affected by GDPR requirements in 2019 alone” I suspect this will similarly have significant negative unintended consequences.

Significant negative? Proper consent paper trail is derailment now? Someone unable to handle consent forms should not be anywhere near medicine. Perhaps someone should reevaluate how things are ran. Wild west ended with company towns and literal slaughter. Perhaps that is a good thing to avoid.

Less scientific research and collaboration being done is a negative consequence irrespective of any positives GDPR produces.

And company towns were generally good:

https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2015/01/in...

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